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I agree our WR's did not get a fair shake in developing anything in preseason. But that opens the door for why Morgan and Canales set that scenario up in the first place.

Plummer was worse than atrocious. I'm speaking to the state of the QB room as a whole. Andy was playing horribly then got hurt. Bryce did not have a positive outing in his final in game action. Bryce Perkins is a PS quarterback at best. And Hendon Hooker folks in Detroit were just fine seeing him go.

Yeah eventually people like that abusing it for their own revenge are just going to get neg rep removed altogether again like before. People who have been around long enough remember it. Unlike some of these new fans who want to try and dictate to others so much

If we're just keeping it 100 even with Bryce our hope for the upcoming season with him largely originates from practice reps where he was wearing a red jersey.

The issue is in that timespan we should know what we have in our 4th round pick Trevor Etienne and if he is looking the part and then some would you prioritize Brooks over him who is making considerably less? There will be multiple factors to consider. But the biggest will be has Dave Canales become a successful head coach? That's the gamechanger for all of it.

All this franchise has done under the Tepper's is give people millions for nothing.

False. He went out of his way to publicly praise the current rookie QB for the Vikings going as far as saying he could become the face of the league. This was back in early June. Something was brewing for awhile.

Realistically what is your expectation? Do you envision him coming back next year and suddenly running roughshod over defenses in 2026 and 2027 and then getting a big new contract? Of course it is theoretically possible. I wouldn't bet anything of value on it though. Being out of football your first two years in a new league at a different level is not something that can just be dismissed. There are very few rare football players who would go on to establish a really good to great career following such circumstances. I'd love to see Brooks become one of them. But those odds are not in his favor.

In theory I agree with you. But in practical terms it's not realistic. And the team got something for him rather than nothing at all. Don't hold your breath on getting anything from a league office that enthusiastically allowed our only MVP in franchise history to be headhunted multiple times on national television.

If you want to take a glass half full perspective that's certainly your prerogative. But by the literal definition of the term waste as of right now that is what the pick was.

Thielen took a paycut to leave. He wanted out.

Kind of strange we've heard not a peep from the team about it until this transaction. So we made it through camp and preseason just to have him get hurt in practice roughly a week from the season opener. Then you factor in our left tackle getting his appendix removed. This is like a tradition for us at this point. What are ya gonna do. We won't be seeing Coker for at least a month. Let's hope Renfrow is up to the task. This is like swapping one injured guy for a guy who's already been hobbled. Not exactly a solution.

The man took a paycut to get up out of here but it's beyond the pale for anyone to suggest he wanted to ride off into the sunset with a different QB room.

Just for clarification purposes in 2024 we were 18th in rushing ypg and in 2023 we were 20th. We're not exactly lighting the league up regardless. My understanding is Canales wants to further solidify the run game this upcoming season which is a valid path. But we've still gotta get the passing output up. And realistically with our defense still very much in the rebuilding stages it's fair to ask how often we will be in a position from a clock standpoint where we can just keep running the ball at will.

With Mr completely I just let him be him. He does have quality posting when he wants. We all troll a bit sometimes. But I think we all more or less want the same things. I appreciate the fact that you and I can have spats but still come back later and be rational adults and not hold months long grudges. So kudos to you for being an adult in the room.

Doesn't matter. 31 other teams didn't draft an already seriously injured player in the second round. We did. So far we've wasted two years of his lower cost rookie contract. Either way it was a waste we can't afford. Is it the players fault? Of course not. But our FO has to use better judgment. It looks like they've learned something so that's at least a plus.

I would think the first one he was currently in the middle of recovering from would be an indicator of risk. And that's why you don't take that risk in the second round.

Sounds like after the fact I got what I want now I'm out the door coach speak to me. How he feels about Bryce Young personally ≠ cosigning this QB room. To me he lowkey expressed how he truly felt when he went completely out of his way to very enthusiastically praise a rookie QB who has yet to play a single snap in the regular season and say he could become the face of the league. That says more to me than this coach speak level out the door babble. What's truly goofy is reading someone whailing about having another person on ignore and still daily getting reaction notifications from that person. As usual you're up at 7 am mad af. You have serious psychological problems. At some point the mods need to reel you in if you refuse to get help. Because you are going to have a complete and utter meltdown when this team inevitably struggles.

Even with the progress last year we had the 30th passing offense and the 32nd passing offense before that. We're hopeful. That's about the best anyone can say.

Weren't we the only team that interviewed him?

If Bryce cannot elevate himself to a top 15 QB with the pieces we have put around him and the resume we were sold before the draft then he was never that guy to begin with. Can we please stop invoking Cam Newton in defense of our first overall pick? Newton was rookie of the year in a lockout season when many many people here on the huddle said he was a one productive college season project who wouldn't do much and should sit behind Billy Volek. He took relentless grief from the media and this fanbase over the years for just trying to bring a better culture to the Carolinas.

Well I'm going to have to take that back I suppose. I had forgotten about him spending time on the commissioners exempt list for domestic violence and cocaine. Suffice to say we aren't the ideal destination to try and keep someone with off field concerns on the straight and narrow.

I mean most of us would be thrilled to see a reversal of fortune for the pick. But it seems to be a longshot right now. Furthermore the whole point of drafting RB's is to get the most production through their rookie contract. Which we have not done.

I don't see any harm in kicking the tires.

I see the article he linked referenced the big time throw metric. Never seen that used so often before Bryce Young. That data would have you believe Bryce is a better big time thrower than Josh Allen Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson. Sound a bit far fetched? I can buy into optimism but anyone that actually believes that right now before Bryce embarks on a key prove it season is not existing within reality. I'd love to see it though. Time will tell.