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In an effort to redirect the thread back to the OP. I just watched a clip from the Panthers social and Jonathan Stewart was talking to Brooks and Sanders. Brooks specifically mentioned he has been in contact with Todd Gurley for advice on the position. That's good to hear. If for nothing we have two early offensive picks who seem keen to not only compete but are humble enough to reach out to avaliable sources of information to better themselves. It's still very early and maybe it will pay off and maybe it won't but this is a nice change of pace from the seemingly lackadaisical mentality of offensive picks such as Terrace Marshall Jr.

So it's okay to have a pity party for the worst starting QB in the league last year but if I attempt to bring any perspective to your take I'm the one that needs to lighten up And for comparison sake. Another young quarterback who was also sacked about 65 times ended up being traded after enduring such a miserable season and he's making not much above league minimum per season. It could always be worse. Wise words to live by.

Do we know he wants to sell them? Are we really going to vilify a working class PSL holder to justify a billionaire who highly values his concert money raising ticket prices?

Where there's a will there's a way. And maybe even a pot of gold waiting at the end. He's doing just fine. Let's put away the violin.

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/227686-i-hope-you-know-what-this-means…/

It's a start. Now if he can actually throw any semblance of a consistent deep ball.

It's easy to find scapegoats. We thought Matt Rhule was the worst we could be as of recently. Turns out that was wrong. We're certainly going to get to see how much of last seasons debacle was on the staff. I can say I will absolutely be looking to see what areas remain an issue.

One minute he's washed the next he's an invaluable presence

All the side talk about BY aside I like the attention to small details. Though I find it hard to believe no one on staff and especially Josh McCown the QB coach tried to hone in on these things this time last year.

This place was a cesspool at times even through the Cam years. Even when we won the goal posts moved over and over. And Cam had one of the best rookie seasons ever at the time. I respect you for holding it down as a fan. But just remember we're all at the end of the day on equal footing with this franchise. We've all suffered through the consistent inconsistency that has now given way to one of the worst teams in all of professional sports the last few years. That is the biggest reason you are seeing what you're seeing. If the combo of Canales and BY can bring wins and respectability back for the Carolinas you'll see the feedback you seek. For the moment I think the mods here are doing the best they can given the state of the franchise. Best of luck to ya this season

Hey Seltzer. We've got 17 games worth of opposing fans ridiculing us and talking cold hard poo about Bryce Young coming up. You might want to develop some thicker skin if you're going to be rooting for this team because things said here by our own fans are fairly tame compared to what the rest of the league has in store for us after what we gave up in that trade last year. Maybe try and pace yourself bud.

I mean you're seemingly egging on someone that's about to get the first OTA thread of the year sent to the tinderbox because he's so personally upset someone said something about Bryce Young he doesn't like. At the end of the day it's on Bryce to quiet the doubts. He's got 38 million reasons to do so. I'm glad we are in general agreement about the outlook for the upcoming season. As far as my position on Bryce. I was pretty plain about my preference being CJ Stroud predraft. There were several posters here at that time who made it their mission to attack and spam poo emojis on anything perceived to be critical of Bryce Young. I was on board and in support once he was the pick. I said all along I was going to give him the season to show performance worthy of where he was selected. To say the absolute least that did not happen unfortunately. I think you are misrepresenting and assigning your own interpretation to the "optimism" about Bryce Young that you claim I take exception to. Optimism is one thing. Fantasy is another. And fantasy is what some of the talk has amounted to. In this very thread the first day of OTA he's been compared to Christian McCaffrey for whatever reason. That's not optimism that's homerism and again we've been doing this for different QB's the last several years. What's the definition of insanity? At some point you just need to see real quantifiable results first. We're all waiting. Hopefully it happens.

I think you and some others have a pretty clear inferiority complex over Bryce Young. People did the same thing with Kyle Allen and Teddy Bridgewater. If that's your path that's cool. Won't make him a better QB any more than the criticism that you rail against will. None of us are better than the other. We're just spectators. But your objections don't change the reality at hand regarding how bad he played last season. Most people want to see improvement and to see him emerge worthy of the first overall selection.

It all sounds nice. Cost wise this would go over better if the team weren't dogshit the last several years. How much are the owners that brag about concert dollars putting up for all this?

The last few pages of this thread are why we can't even have convos about the QB. The first day of basic OTA's in May and some people are already trying to dunk on others over anything. How about we save that for if and when our offense (Bryce included) actually looks formidable in the preseason.

Looks like he's been at least attempting lifting weights. Good to see.

Don't fall into the camp hero trap folks. For right now enjoy camp and wait to see it translate to preseason games. Then we can talk about expectations. Until I see it in preseason I'm in yawn mode.

I'm not going to pile on Dak because we've been horrendous and have watched some truly abysmal QB play. But we don't need to chase any FA quarterbacks. Keep drafting one early and maybe even one in the late rounds until you hit it's that simple.

While it was certainly an eye opening comparison. It wasn't nearly as cringy as the "Steph Curry of the NFL" talk. There's nothing wrong with going all in as a fan when you've had such a hard time finding hope over these last several years. But what made it unhinged was how some people paired that with talk of how CJ Stroud was basically going to tumble down the draft board and go on to struggle to find his footing as a starter in the NFL. People didn't just buy in on Bryce Young they went to lengths to convince themselves he was something that would in his own way transcend the position. You just can't allow yourself to get that invested in a draft pick. This has to be a learning experience for a lot of people going forward.

Matt Rhule was a new vibe once upon a time. Let's see Canales team in preseason and go from there.

Bryce is going to have to play a great deal from under center if we are going to stop being so predictable offensively and more importantly actually score touchdowns. When you pair being in shotgun 90% of the time with the fact no one on defense had to worry about us going deep downfield how could we even have effectively judged our running backs? And even when we had games where the run game was producing our passing game was a downgrade from even Teddy Bridgewater. You can see why Canales wanted a 6 year deal eh? No pressure Dave.

Winning pointless games is QB purgatory. Been doing this the last 5 years now. Either be pretty good and competitive when it actually matters or just be garbage. No more winning a few meaningless games for the team culture that still ends up being awful.

Well here's to hoping we see a lot of it in the upcoming season because the alternative is quite depressing.

Has the definition of the term "big time throw" changed somewhat recently or? Based on some of what I'm reading here one could pull up some of Teddy Bridgewater's Panthers highlights and spot plenty of those big time throws.

I feel like anyone within the Panthers fanbase no matter where they land on Bryce should agree on this. He's a good kid. He's intelligent. But ultimately is he going to ever be the guy to command a locker room? Obviously none of us can say. But I just don't get any alpha vibes from him whatsoever. Is that a dealbreaker? Not necessarily. Here's the thing though. We had the talk of his generational years ahead of his age leadership trait clubbed over our heads for weeks nonstop before the draft. But after seeing someone like Sam Darnold navigate life as a starting QB I think anyone here should be able to acknowledge homerism there are some similarities to Darnold in terms of personality. That is not what we were sold. All of this takes me back to before the draft. I just can't shake the sense that Stroud just rubbed Tepper or someone the wrong way. Was he too confident? Not subservient enough? Did they feel Bryce was more marketable and media savvy? My gut says these things weighed more into the pick than they should have. If not. Stroud more than likely would have been the selection. What's done is done though. I'm just like you though. I want to see some fire from Bryce at some point this season. But I'm expecting to be disappointed considering his first order of business following one of the worst rookie seasons ever was to detach completely and do nothing. As always. Hoping for the best. I feel like I have to put a disclaimer at the end of this post for the Bryce superfans. I want to see him do well. I don't want this to end in the worst case scenario. There now we can be friends!