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To your first point that is valid. Yet the truth is we are now in that position with Teddy anyway while being on the hook for a much bigger cap loss. That is quite a significant negative now matter how we try to spin it. On your second point, metrics mean pretty much squat if the quarterback can't finish when it counts. Even Baby Goat was somehow capable enough to finish off a few games in the fourth quarter. Geez even Newton who is clearly a shell of himself managed to hobble together a few fourth quarter finishes. How on Earth did we downgrade from that? We won the same number of divisional matchups with Bridgwater as we did the previously mentioned quarterbacks. One. Uno. That is embarrassing at best. I have been around the block long enough to understand why some are still dying on this hill with Bridgwater. It's a shame but some things just don't change.

Baseless accusations of butthurt sounds like an emotional reaction to a simple perfomance based discussion. It is salary cap space that could have been utilized beefing up the offensive line and adding another starting corner at the least. The argument you are presenting does not jive with reality. If the Carolina Panthers were willing to spend the kind of money they did on a quarterback do you believe they did not have the expectation he would be even a slight improvement over Allen or a deteriorating Newton? If all they were seeking was a placeholder for a year or two they could have achieved that for significantly less investment and addressed other areas of need to be ready for the next quarterback when the time came to hand off the reigns. The present day dilemma is that simple.

That anyone would want to applaud being worse than Kyle Allen for big bucks sounds very on brand for a franchise still without consecutive winning seasons.

Personal attacks are unnecessary and embarrassing for the fans. Reality however is just that. 33 million dollars in guarantees says he will ultimately be okay despite it all. That much money for backup level play is quite the break in itself. He does not need folks here throwing themselves into flames on his behalf.

Truth hurts but this is all that needs to be said. No quarterback gets a pass for losing. The previous starter didn't for his losing record heading out the door and he was a top overall draft selection. I can say for sure I am over this awkward attempt at trying to copy the New Orleans Saints. Take out the trash and be the Carolina Panthers again. Anyone who enjoys losing records can follow the quarterback to his next destination.

Luke is a very nice guy but he is also someone who would tell it like it is. You have to acknowledge reality and move forward accordingly as an adult. All that being said. I do not believe for a minute that it was all Marty Hurney making the decision to open up the bank vault for a Bridgewater signing. He is not Snidely Whiplash and he was already on his way out of town anyway. Those who ultimately made the decision remain. I fear a major contributing factor in the signing was the need to save face after the disastrous PR effects of moving on from #1 the way we did. I can only hope they have learned a great deal from that experience because if not we already know what is on the horizon.

Well that's what we did last year and then we doubled down and restructured the contract of the highest paid running back in the league. Where exactly is the benefit to the team in this? It's great guys can show up in their #22 jerseys but when does the winning start? Have you seen our divisional record lately?

Odd we didn't try to work something out. I hadn't heard this until now but we briefly tried to sign Chris Carson. Hopefully we are not yet again getting off to another typical Panthers season where we just treat the backup rb role as inconsequential until it's too late. The state of our line is still anything but established or consistent. Work in progress is the most positive description you could give.

If "O.J. did it" is your biggest takeaway from all that you may be missing the forest for the trees. The ESPN 30 for 30 that covers both his trial and the social climate surrounding injustice at that time in our nation should be required viewing in heightened times like these.

I have done neither of those things. Reality set in rather rapidly once this situation reached multiple allegations. Watson is extremely unlikely to ever suit up for the Carolina Panthers and that is plainly clear. The majority of individuals making remarks here seem to understand and acknowledge this along with the obvious fact Watson has at the very least been using incredibly poor judgement as a face of a major sports franchise. There are still some fans holding out hope for different reasons but I cannot speak for them. In that regard however I will relent that sports often takes on too much importance in the grand scheme of things especially within the context of societal flaws. America must look within rather than continuing to idolize celebrity and trying so hard to place these public figures on a pedestal.

What kind of argument is that to tie those two together? Only a few ignoramuses dislike Bridgewater enough to blindly throw support behind Watson before all the facts have come out. The blanket implication you are making about any Panthers fan who simply wants better quarterback play in 2021 is irresponsible and insulting to all involved.

Dodging this circus should help put things in better perspective moving forward as far as risk/reward and resource allocation. Do what it takes to be the team to draft Fields and be done with it.

There are people who wouldn't actually take Wilson at all? I know we had the little rivalry going for a time and at one point the thought of him in a Panthers uniform would have been inconceivable but then along came 2020 and the sight of Teddy Bridgewater throwing a football.

It's over guys read the room. When it's all said and done I get the feeling it's going to come out that the Texans knew about this and sat on it. Whether or not they have anything to do with the timing of this finally becoming public remains to be seen but it's quite suspicious with everything that has already happened in a month or so.

There are many things which give someone pause on the internet these days. But this comparison is plain barbaric. There is a kid in the hospital with a brain injury because of the actions of Reid. Using that tragedy as a shield to continue your weeks long agenda toward an athlete is just awful. You can do better than this take some time away if you are that consumed.

They lost two starting tackles to injuries right? So what you are saying is don't get injured? They were still in the big game and 4 quarters away from back to back championships. Mahomes was still in the thick of the mvp talk. As much as their line got beat to hell the whole team looked to be in a funk and when you add in the refs and how well the Bucs were playing the end result we witnessed is what you get. There is no need to hide behind the failures of some of the best players in the league to convince ourselves of why we should keep sitting on the sidelines.

Not necessarily arguing in favor of Watson here but just speaking from a standpoint of knowing what it is like to see a team struggle without a quarterback. But I would take another several years of actual franchise quarterback level football over two yard passes on fourth and long. You can have all your draft picks and the surrounding talent taken there within but none of it matters without the centerpiece. If we don't have a quarterback either way talent is being squandered and subsequently the draft picks used to acquire said talent. We should know this story by now as Panthers fans. Just because we have been mismanaged in the past specifically with the development of our offensive line which has been mostly crap for years since the exit of Jordan Gross doesn't mean we should stop trying or be scared to take a risk if need be.

The Carolina Panthers have been doing things mostly the same way for the entirety that the franchise has existed. Few risks yet no back to back winning seasons and certainly no super bowl trophy tucked away anywhere. If you are apprehensive that is understandable but inevitably the franchise was going to make an all-in move for a signal caller if it is this way or in the draft.

Step away from the ledge and give up the meth it's bad for you.

If it is a question of Chinn or Watson the answer should be obvious though I am not thrilled about it. Hard pass on Burns or Brown though.

Not on board if we have to give up Burns Brown or Chinn. Clearly you need a quarterback to get to the dance but you need a stout defensive line and an opportunistic secondary if you want to win as the most recent super bowl has shown. Well I suppose a few refs in your back pocket too.

I don't think the huddle needs a morality lesson from the guy who makes crass and grotesquely insensitive jokes about Kobe's helicopter crash for shits and giggles.

Can't really compare the two straight up too many different moving parts between the different sports. But as far as bringing energy to the city? They are neck and neck and I would have to give the nod to Ball if he can keep elevating the roster around him just considering how desperate the Carolinas are for any legitimate contender after how the story ended with #1. Be grateful we stumbled into another talent of that caliber so quickly. Doesn't happen often that way for most small markets.

3100 yards with Kyle Allen Will Grier Teddy Bridgewater and PJ Walker throwing to him. Yes clearly he must be the problem let's get rid of him while we still can.