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Man you just need to get on the payroll already. Never seen anyone simp so hard for free.

At this point it's fair to ponder just how other WR prospects from the draft class would look here over time too. When you've already canned an entire coaching staff and jettisoned multiple WR's in just a few short years and you still suck ass it's time to reassess everything from top to bottom.

We aren't going to win anything except a few meaningless games late in the season when there's no pressure to make the playoffs. That's a hard truth you're just going to have to reconcile with. The rest of us will be looking at the upcoming QB class.

Aren't you the one person here who showed up looking for a shoulder to cry on because you had to pay for shitty fan fest tickets?

Cam didn't necessarily disagree with Steve. He experienced the lack of culture here firsthand in his early years as many fans know all too well. His response was that Steve only knows how to be who he is but at the end of the day this is a small market it isn't L.A. or Boston or New York etc. It is Carolina and the team represents two states. And fans have become weary and frustrated and fed up and they need some semblance of hope. It's a tough situation all around.

This popped up in my recommendations. Hits the feels hard. I just want to get back to competitive football.

XL needs to reevaluate his approach to everything and his time on social media IMO. If he wants to be a successful football player then he will do this and apply a change going forward. If he just wants the limelight and to hangout with other celebrities then he is going to fizzle out fast and all of that will eventually fizzle out as well. All we can do is see how he responds over the course of the season and go from there. But we do need to see much more competent QB play and actually threaten downfield instead of making opposing defenses jobs easier in order to fully evaluate the offensive pieces though. That can't be understated.

4.3 yards per pass attempt against the Bills. We play them this season too. Oof. Tua has had more glimpses of better play than Bryce has but those games are getting further and further away. And didn't he have to fully alter his throwing motion at one point already? Where they share the highest level of commonality IMO is how many awful or mediocre games they have across all their starts. The Dolphins gave this guy $167 million guaranteed and all he's done is make them regret it. Our FO better be paying attention.

Tua was supposed to be Bryce's best comp. Bad omen. He is asswater.

His physical attributes aren't going to change on a new team so I have no idea how he would pan out elsewhere but I can logically assume those issues he has had with processing which was supposed to be his key selling point before the draft would follow him. He was also supposed to be someone who thrives when the play breaks down but he has been inconsistent at best on that and at times horrific. I think where we each take a fork in the road on the determination of Bryce Young currently is you seem to still be treating him as a rookie and not a third year QB still repeating the same mistakes while showing that he has no arm talent to overcome even the slightest bit of adversity. I've said all along his rookie year and his sophomore season that I would be willing to overlook his interceptions if he was pushing the ball downfield consistently and even if he turned the ball over forcing a pass here and there to keep defenses honest I would accept it. But he has nothing. There is no deep passing game here. He threw the ball 55 times in Arizona which was 30 more times than Kyler Murray and only had a little over 100 more passing yards than him. Legitimately you should read that again and ponder it. That is embarrassingly atrocious. Circumstances here are not ideal with the WR's and OL but we cannot normalize this. It is horrendous. And we need to swallow our pride and begin scouting QB's for the 2026 draft. In the meantime this cannot continue on much longer for the sake of the locker room. And the upcoming schedule isn't going to get any better. If there is a silver lining to any of this we are going to find out just who Dave Canales really is throughout the rest of the season. He isn't getting a pass either.

Only very foolish people and they are all long gone. Matt Rhule was a terrible hire and he wanted no part of trying to develop a rookie QB. Most people have wanted us to draft a QB the right way for years now. By that I mean no trade hauls no mortgaging the future to move up and putting even more pressure on the guy we pick just staying put at our pick and taking one and seeing how it goes. Everything we have done with trying to "fix" the QB position has been an impulsive splash move instead of being calculated. And that is because of the Tepper's.

I don't think that remark was necessary to convey his opinion. But as far as this new position you are taking. None of us have spent the last two years going around here spamming poo reactions over him and trying to dictate conversation. And you yourself have made two threads in two years declaring Bryce Young a bust. I mean that sounds like someone confused and in need of some level of therapy.

It was actually two. One last year when Bryce was benched and one in late 2023. And it's his prerogative to do that. But going around here acting as if his is the only rational unbiased word on the situation after doing so and pretending he never did so is certainly odd.

Canales might end up being a dud but there's nothing he or any other head coach is going to be able to do in order to make Bryce Young taller or not have mediocre at best arm talent.

This was the risk with spending what $150 million in free agency on two OL? We should have been focused on the draft. Now whether the OL is terrible bad or mid we still have the highest amount of salary cap dedicated to the position group by far. And it's only going to go up when we sign Icky to an extension. Instead of trading up for injured running backs maybe we should have been drafting OL.

The Panthers are a bad football franchise. We have young receivers who are imperfect. We have had injuries along the OL. But Bryce Young is a downgrade from every single QB that has started for this team since Cam Newton's throwing arm died back in late 2018. And we have invested an absurd amount of resources in order to improve this offense. Multiple things can be true at one time.

Blah blah blah blah. We don't need a huddle Steve Smith.

Basically all I've gotten from you in about two days worth of responses is nothing is Bryce Young's fault and you expect absolute perfection from his offensive teammates while holding him to little or no standard despite being a #1 pick and the face of the franchise.

I mean I'm not happy with the lack of rushing production either but when exactly are we supposed to establish a formidable run game when we are usually down in the box score early due to Bryce's turnovers and the defense has no fear of our passer pushing the ball downfield?

Pressure or no pressure Bryce Young does not have the arm talent to consistently threaten defenses and open up the whole field. We have seen this throughout his 32 career starts. The Jaguars defense in week 1 only blitzed on 20% of Bryce Young's dropbacks and they still imposed their will and forced 3 turnovers from Bryce Young. I can present you information but if you choose to ignore it and what you are seeing with your own two eyes you are beyond help.

I finally sat down and listened to what Steve said. That man was and has been revered in this "weak ass city" despite consistently being a top to bottom asshole to many of his teammates over the years and assaulting Ken Lucas. And many fans moved on from that and gave him grace as supposedly a changed man. Then he was unceremoniously released from the team by Gettleman and the overwhelming majority of Panthers fans were displeased with it. Then he proceeded to absolutely drag the Panthers in the "Blood and guts" game against the Ravens and talked endless amounts of shīt. Still most Panthers held no animosity toward him. It's just a really really bad look for him with everything that's gone on over the years to go after the fans in the midst of the worst win percentage in all of professional sports under the Tepper's. I don't think he has the temperament or the personality for sports analysis in general and he can't recognize that he is simping for a billionaire just because he's been nice to him.

The Jaguars defense handled him similarly. They actually didn't even blitz much. Ultimately this boils down to how long the coaches will allow this to continue and when not if they pull the plug. Things with the OL and receivers are not ideal but there is talent here and there are still opportunities and plays to be made. Bryce is a nice kid but it's year 3 and his limitations and the ramifications of that across the offense are abundantly clear.