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Evans is still in his first year so the learning process is still in full swing. Tremble and Evans should have a firmer grasp to say the least. But as critical as we can be of the group and the ridiculous inconsistency we should keep coming back to Canales. Where is the development? As I said in another thread he needs to relinquish playcalling duties and focus on the the moving parts of the team as a whole. His stubborn resistance to this is going to end with him getting fired. Just my opinion.

Blow out the Falcons. Blown out by the Patriots. Squeak by the Dolphins with a QB they just benched (who is Bryce Young's best comp). Squeak by the Cowboys. Squeak by the Jets in an abysmal offensive performance. Blown out by the Bills. Squeak by the Packers. Lose to the Saints starting a rookie QB who has a career day. Squeak by the Falcons. Lose in embarrassing fashion to the 49ers in primetime. Squeak by the Rams. Lose to the Saints with the same rookie QB with the division and playoffs on the line. When you see it all in print it really isn't impressive. Could argue we need both a new QB and a new head coach.

I presented that scenario because this is a home game and we seemed to have improved in some capacity in that area as of recently. The problem with the possibility of sweeping the Bucs is this team has had a habit of quickly falling victim to momentum shifts. The Bucs are coming off a bitter loss the same as the Panthers but the Bucs have a much better proven track record this time of year and they have performed when the pressure is on unlike our Panthers. We have a shot against the Seahawks here in BOA but that is a matchup that could quickly get out of hand because they are a well coached team and that goes back to the momentum shifts I mentioned. I just don't see this team beating the Bucs in their stadium to close the season. Tall order to say the least.

The Panthers are so comically inconsistent they could very well defeat the Bucs this Sunday and then lose the final 2 games.

The same folks crying about the OL right now were crying about it in 2023 too. We have tied up over 100 million dollars in two interior olinemen alone and we have Taylor Moton inked to a recent extension. We've invested multiple first and second round picks in the offense. We hired an offensive minded head coach. This is an offensive team. The offense needs to produce or people need to be replaced.

This is the same place that has ridiculed and blasted Caleb Williams at every opportunity he has his team sitting at 10-4 in the same NFC that the Panthers are competing in. And their division in the NFC North is as or more competitive as our division. Yet from the same people who have very high standards for Williams we get every excuse imaginable for the smallest starting QB in the league even when he and his team continue to disappoint when the pressure is on. You lot aren't any less inconsistent than anyone else.

Nobody on the huddle is saying we have an elite group offensively across the board. They aren't great. They're young. If you are expecting someone to agree with your position of blaming everyone around Bryce Young nearly three full seasons into his career you are going to be left holding the bag save for a handful of people who act like they are paid to defend his honor. Bryce Young is not a guy who has had to claw and fight his way into starting jobs in football. He's had the best to work with and been gifted roles since he was a teenager. The Panthers have one of the youngest rosters in the league and with us needing an infusion of young defensive talent in the upcoming draft we're only going to get younger. We need a QB who possesses the ability to elevate those around him. If you can't agree with me on that then there's nothing further to discuss.

All Bryce and the Panthers had to do was split with the Saints and a rookie QB. The bar was so low. They even had a whole bye week to prepare. The time for singing kumbaya was before that game. Anyone still talking about Bryce earning a second contract 43 games into his career is living a fantasy. He might get one from the Tepper owned Panthers but he's damn sure not earned it.

Do you even hear yourself? I used to laugh at the old guys who would chime on here complaining about participation trophies in modern sports but the Bryce Young era and folks like you have unfortunately brought legitimacy to such assertions.

We've clearly established that Evero is NOT the guy. So why is he here? Wasn't he a package deal when Canales was hired? Didn't our owner basically force Evero to stay this year and refused an interview request? But I thought he was no longer meddling?

Bryce Young against the Saints in 2 games 32/49 287 yards 1 TD 1 INT 5.8 yards per attempt Sacked 3 times Tyler Shough against the Panthers in 2 games 43/59 554 yards 3 TD's 0 INT 9.5 yards per attempt Sacked 7 times *but Bryce Young avoided pressure like a pro. HANG THE BANNER

I'm currently seeing worse things said about LaMelo Ball and he and Bryce Young are basically kindred spirits in terms of accomplishing anything whatsoever for their respective teams. It's almost like fans get tired of seeing the face of the franchise take them nowhere.

How low is the bar for Bryce Young that you're spending a Friday night grasping at straws for something to praise him for by finding a silver lining in him avoiding pressure while being swept by Tyler Shough and the rebuilding Saints? My god man. Pull yourself together.

With the NFL being directly in bed with these sportsbooks now it's much more difficult to chalk these instances up to just incompetence.

The notion that people are just biased against Bryce Young is both laughable and offensive. It's crazy looking back at how bitter and ugly conversations got about Cam Newton here in the past even when he had us competing in and winning the division people hated him. And that was in a division with prime Drew Brees and Matt Ryan! We've got a 24 year old #1 overall pick that can't even take the reigns of a ridiculously weakened division when it's ripe for the taking and the only team that stands in our way is the rebuilding Saints. But if you speak out of school you're a pariah and one of those fans that is holding the franchise back. Legitimately fug these people.

Folks have been civil here for a long time but it's time to take the gloves off with people like this who just want to blame their fellow fans for what ails this franchise. Trash.

If anyone feels like they can't have a conversation about Bryce Young nearly three full seasons into his career maybe assess why and how these conversations end this way instead of looking to shoot the messenger. Why is it okay to label anyone else on the team or coaching staff trash? Folks on the huddle and across the fanbase on social media have fully thrown anyone and everyone including rookie 8th overall pick TMac fully under the bus multiple times this season. But some of you guys apparently expect a pat on the back because Bryce Young successfully evaded a few potential sacks while Tyler Shough got consumed by our pass rush throughout the game and still had a superior performance. The state of this division is hilariously mediocre at best. Bryce Young is the only player on this roster who is allowed to have the lowest bar possible yet we have invested the most resources in him. It's lunacy.

You should get on the payroll bub. Don't work for free.

We go out of our way not to attack the middle of the field if we can avoid it which is due to Bryce's lack of vision. We learned about that the hard way in his rookie season and it was not pretty. And that only makes things more difficult for our OL in pass blocking. There's 3 years worth of game tape on this. Passes to the sideline are also hit and miss at best and occasionally Bryce will throw a dime along the sideline but for the most part the receiver has to either slow down or fully stop in his tracks and make an acrobatic move to have a chance to haul in the throw in bounds.

Making something out of nothing and improvising was a big part of his selling point but it was always primarily as a passer distributing the ball aka point guard. But he had 185 rushing yards in 2 full seasons at Alabama. Again. We didn't draft him for his legs no matter how many times someone wants engage in revisionist history.

We finally got a really good duo performance from LaMelo and Brandon and with the help of Kon Knueppel we knocked off the Hawks. Now we play the waiting game to see how long LaMelo will remain relatively healthy.

I appreciate the efforts you've made here with this data. As concerned as I am about how efficient we are allowing opposing QB's to perform against us I think we can all agree a change of scenery at DC will go a long ways. Equally as important is the simple fact that we have shifted primarily to an offensive identity as a team and the investments of our resources strongly reflect that. If we cannot get better results out of this offense things need to change.

Covered that above. As for his weapons I am completely over the scapegoating of the receivers. Been doing this for now going on three full years and I'm done hearing it. At some point if you have a franchise QB he either makes the players around him better or he doesn't. Now if you want to get into Canales I am willing to give him just as much smoke as Bryce because we had options for head coach and we chose to go offensive head coach again to oversee the development of our steep investments in the offense. So far said development is lacking to say the least and we came out of the bye week with the division and playoffs to play for looking like the less motivated team. That is unacceptable.

I complimented Bryce on some of the maneuvering he did within the pocket but eventually the game got to a point where he needed to stand tall and get the ball to his guys and he could not do that. We've had this discussion about his legs previously buddy. You don't recall our convo about the sustainability of him as a runner after last years Falcons game at the end of the season? We didn't draft this kid for his legs.

I've been very apprehensive about potentially firing yet another head coach. But Canales needs to focus on being a head coach first and foremost and begin handing off some responsibilities like playcalling duties and begin overseeing the entire team or we need to assess all possible ideal HC candidates in the offseason.