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I mean it's good to see something from him on the emotion scale but it shouldn't have taken this. Why was he not "pissed off" that his team was getting blown off the field week in and week out and he was a big part of why? Maybe instead of telling the media how upset you are through your agent/mom & dad now would be a good time to start putting in some of that hard work to improve your craft that didn't happen in the offseason.

Stroud was as a draft prospect at the time what most would consider the "safe pick". He checked all the boxes from the standpoint of what people look for in a pocket passing QB in a league skewed comically toward passing the ball. Then that stupid S2 nonsense started making the rounds and the rest is history. The Panthers did this to themselves by getting hung up on factors beyond the basics. "I'm a football player not a test taker" 🫴

I don't disagree that led by Tepper our org has been making terrible decisions and made this whole situation even worse each time. But we've also not bottomed out to consistently historically bad QB play until now. I think what we've been seeing is worst case scenario for a QB that should not have been selected in the first round let alone first overall. As far as Reich goes. We only got to see him with a QB other than Bryce Young once. We have not seen Canales with another QB yet either. There are things that concern me with our new head coach. Like whether or not he is actually this developer of QB's or if he is going to become one of the better young offensive minds in the league. All I can do is wait and see. If things go south I'll be right there with you talking poo. But for the time being I think you're kinda talking yourself into a position of being critical of the staff at all costs because it's what we've been accustomed to. Let's give it a few games and then begin to form some conclusions about Canales.

All I'm going to expect at this point in time is a football team and most importantly an NFL offense that is watchable. I have no other expectations and certainly nothing even approaching the realm of playoffs. Just don't embarrass us.

I am a Coen Bros fan. I've seen the Big Lebowski many times. Just didn't notice the dialogue reference at first glance. Nice.

Watching the way Kyler Murray runs is entertaining in itself. He's been up and down he's taken a lot of grief about not being a student of the game. But one thing you can't deny him is the dude is an athlete through and through. He's had to be given his size.

Was it really though? The most physically limited QB of his draft class is looking like one of the worst QB's in recent memory? Seems like something many people should have seen coming.

If the org wants to get something done they'll figure out the salary cap. As far as his recent efforts at being a leader go. I'm just going to have to disagree. I have yet to see proof of the pre-draft notion that Bryce Young is this fantastic leader. If this team had leadership from the QB we wouldn't be in this current state.

Giants gave up 85 sacks last year. Eighty Five. Still finished with 6 wins. Howell got sacked as many times as BY and still moved the ball albeit with very iffy decision making at times. At some point through it all you have to show something anything to justify why you were taken first overall. We just never saw it. The Packers game was a mirage as far as I'm concerned. Since that game we have been getting absolutely whalloped on the scoreboard with Bryce Young at QB. Don't worry though. We'll always have that "one great preseason drive against the Bills backups" banner.

It's going to be awkward having him around because he hasn't exactly been someone that is trying to uplift the offensive players around him on the sideline. I get the vibe there has been a major sigh of relief from the roster as a whole. If you can get something for him at this point you take it and move on.

Sounds like an excuse to me. I don't buy this concept. Getting hit the way he did only accelerated and amplified what was already lacking. Truly there is no excuse for him to look like the worst starting QB in the entire league after a full offseason of preparation.

Didn't the Panthers bot just post a fluff piece about this guy too? Kiss of death.

Yeah people forget. Saints have been around since the late 60's and didn't even make the playoffs until 1987. The Bucs were similar too. As long as money keeps rolling in that's all the owners care about.

This. It doesn't matter at this point. It had to be done. I'm thankful for it. Now we turn the page. But big picture. Either way after this season the Tepper's need to remove themselves from any involvement of picking another QB. Cannot state that enough. There is no other path forward to stop being a joke around the league.

It's possible but idk if he can save face in the locker room and be the leader of the team after they benched him two games in for the good of said locker room. Kiper does make points about the lack of playing in preseason we all talked about that I didn't agree with it. Certainly that has an impact. But at this point it looks to me like they were hiding Bryce Young because they already knew what was up.

Meh. Either Dave Canales is the coach we hired him to be or he isn't. We will know in time.

This should make it quite clear. MvhUNCT1foi9cPvd.mp4

He's been doing the jump throw on a regular basis out there with both feet off the ground. Safe to say yes the size concerns were legitimate. It is what it is.

You never want to hear your franchise player say that after a season full of horrible perfomances. We need to use this as a very costly learning experience and completely change the way we evaluate draft prospects going forward especially QB's. I highlighted this in another thread.

I agree we finally need to actually rebuild this team. I also can agree it would probably be best to let any QB we draft sit a year and develop. At the same time it's not a one size fits all and if and when the time comes for that QB to start he's gotta hit the ground running or the criticism will be even more pronounced. It's a show me something sooner rather than later league now fair or not. We also have to consider that just because Bryce Young failed here does not mean it's because we started him too early. From my perspective from here on out I want any QB we are looking to identify as "our guy" to have been through some kind of adversity at any point in their careers. That builds character. For some reason our scouting process last year focused entirely on the wrong things. That must change wholesale now going forward. Draft football players. Draft competitors. Don't draft just for how well some can charm you at dinner.

Vikings opted for Darnold. All that needs to be said.

Cousins is trash.

I can't say if he earned it or not but i can say what I observed and he had it easy AF compared to the rest of the quarterback class. Bryce Young was unequivocally handled with kid gloves throughout the lead up to the draft over and over and over and over in relation to the other QB prospects. Even after the shenanigans with the combine and very obvious manipulation of his official weight. CJ Stroud was raked over the coals for everything from his upbringing regarding his father to playing on a stacked team with the best WR's in the country (hello irony) to not being a real leader to having a low football IQ to being "uncoachable" to not attending The Forehead's (Peyton Manning) passing camp or whatever the hell it was to even being criticized for attending an awards show wearing "too much" jewelry (a single gold chain around his neck). His character was attacked very similarly to Cam Newton. Will Levis was regarded as an awkward meathead who possibly wouldn't last in an NFL locker room. Anthony Richardson was criticized with the usual tropes of having little to no football IQ and just having a big arm with inconsistent accuracy. Bryce did not deserve a pass from all that scrutiny. He's been coddled for a long time now. Truth is truth.

I'd really like to believe that. Time will tell.

Between you and me brother I don't even want the first pick again. Top 5-10 is fine for us to take another shot. Let the chips fall where they may and let Canales and Morgan pick their QB (with a heavy emphasis on physical talent that can't be taught) and see if it works out this time.