frankw

We wholeheartedly agree about ownership I want to make sure that's understood. I've been sounding the alarm about David Tepper for years even when people were calling me a conspiracy theorist for suggesting he meddles. As far as the locker room goes I would begin to agree with you if the Panthers locker room seemed somber or divided but it is in fact the complete opposite. The vibe is relieved and upbeat. That tells me what I need to know. Now we have to see what the results are on the football field.

Is that what you've heard or what you think happened? Even if it was Tepper as you suggest as much as I despise the man it wasn't the wrong decision. It was made for the good of the locker room.

Or you could just admit you were wrong.

At this point it should be a forgone conclusion that Tepper and Canales and I'm assuming Morgan discussed it following the 2nd loss. Whether or not that discussion resulted in Tepper directly told him to bench Young is a matter of speculation. Regardless I think we can safely assume the locker room was the biggest facilitator of the decision. That's all that matters. In that regard the right call was made no matter how it was ultimately made. It might be something small but it at least is something to give us a little hope.

@poundaway jumping on the BY wagon was the kiss of death.

I remember that camp thread a few months ago where Diontae got himself shaken up trying to haul in an errant sideline pass from BY. Some folks tried so hard to argue on Bryce's behalf. It's clear this had been simmering for awhile now.

Yeah I'm thinking his repetition of the same mistakes and his blasé "it is what is" demeanor in general while directly hurting the team around him forced the hand of decision makers. I also think this had been brewing last season and it carried over. Idk who ultimately made the call or if it was a group decision but at this point it doesn't matter. It was what needed to be done. From here all I can do is hope things get better in some capacity while we evaluate the roster and Canales.

That comment from an anonymous player paired with the night and day vibe change within the locker room speaks volumes.

Sports talk in general is all the same act. Take a position then double down triple down and quadruple down no matter how wrong you were instead of just saying maybe I should have taken a harder look at my position originally. He wants to blame everything on Tepper. In some respects that's absolutely true he's a shitty meddling owner and I wish this MFer would sell. But if he's so bad and everyone knows it. Cam why did you go out of your way to cosign such a buffoon? Your whole reasoning for backing Tepper and supporting picking Young was leadership. Where has the leadership been? Why didn't you say anything while CJ Stroud's character was being assassinated similarly to yours back in 2011? You could have spoken up and pushed back against Tepper then. Doing so now means nothing. I'm disappointed.

More like he doesn't want to be wrong about picking Young over Stroud. No different than any other talking head no matter how much I like Cam that's the rub.

We lost the two final games last season with a combined score of 35-0 and a combined total of 3 third down conversions through both games with Bryce Young at QB. I don't think his romantic life had much of an effect one way or another. He was playing awful regardless.

If it's that bad he's eventually going to get some playing time. Might as well get accustomed to it sooner rather than later. b13417ec-cc96-4a78-8bb4-8397ad8431f7.mp4

Well at least something is going right. The Giants as a destination never really made sense anyways as their roster is being rebuilt QB is up in the air and their defense was not a pass rusher away by any means. They were already 27th in total defense last season.

LeBron James does not watch the Carolina Panthers lol let's be real.

Yeah that situation is odd. Didn't his dad lobby on twitter for us to draft Xavier Legette too? XL seems pretty excited to have a different QB throwing him the ball. I'm ready for Sunday!

So it's basically confirmed he's opened the door to a trade via his agent? Really weak all things considered since he did the bare minimum this offseason. He definitely seems to think this is everyone else's fault and the vibe in the locker room being nothing more than a shoulder shrug and "moving along..." speaks volumes.

People have been putting his name in the same conversations as hall of fame QB's for over a year now. Stop the madness. At this point he has to prove he's even a mediocre to average starter let alone very good or elite or in the company of hall of famers.

I really like Sanders potential but man his leadership is abysmal. He is going to have to humble himself or be humbled and if it's the latter and doesn't happen until he gets to the NFL it could get ugly. Arch Manning is a pipedream for the Panthers no matter how you look at it and honestly as far as I'm concerned there is zero love for the Manning's anyways. The whole talk around him reminds me of Suck for Luck. Another pipe dream people should remember well. At the end of the day 9 times out of 10 if you draft a QB in the first or anywhere else they are going to be excited simply to be drafted regardless of the reputation of the destination. I'm seeing a notion that rookie QB's like Stroud are a rarity and that's too early to say. The issue with that is not many people believed in him to be what he is now. Many viewed him as a player that would need to be developed over time slowly. But for teams looking at QB's going forward it would be wise to identify some things about Stroud not just in his physical tools that everyone saw on tape but his approach his mentality and his personality that all came together to form the QB he is today.

Depression is a different subject altogether. I used to fall into that trap from time to time but then I dealt with adversity with my health and that changed my mindset entirely and rewired me so to speak. You both make valid points. There's no one single fix that applies to everyone as an individual and their respective situation. Confidence perspective the way you carry yourself leading by example and allowing yourself to be humbled because we all have or will in the journey of life. No one here knows Bryce Young personally. We only know what he shows us and what he says. To this point I think it would be fair to say he's always seemed like he's following a script of some kind. If he has a shot as a QB in this league which he still could because he is a young guy he's got to wholesale switch up himself and ditch the meek puppy dog act. If you are going to be the smallest one out there amongst elite athletes you need to have a good amount of fire in your belly. If he cannot harness that as a tool in some capacity to try to overcome his lack of physicality then there is no path forward.

It's the Alabama effect. He played under Saban one of the greatest college coaches of all time who went out of his way to speak highly of Bryce Young. So it just has to be literally everyone else that's the problem.

10/10 post right here

Simply put all the information at our disposal regarding the blame level of the supporting cast is skewed because Bryce has been the QB. Currently our sample size for the last 19 games is Bryce Young 18 Andy Dalton 1 When we see how this offense looks after at least 2-3 games of Dalton behind center we will have an answer regarding the question of supporting cast. I am so ready to get an answer one way or another so we can have confirmation and move forward with a solution however things go from here.

Absolutely there were issues with the interior OL and the receivers last season could have been better but nobody else on the roster or staff threw those two pick sixes against the Colts.