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After 4 games we need a bona-fide All-Pro WR for our elite super processor point guard quarterback? Life comes at you fast.

Yet for the most part we were able to keep up with the Seahawks in Seattle with 35 year old Dalton and they just blew out the Giants in NY. Keep living the fantasy.

I would prefer this. But none of it will matter if Fitterer is still here. Hire a consultant to search for our next GM. Scott isn't the guy.

I hope he's miserable he created this mess live with the results. Even we fire Reich and make Evero interim this season we are going to be lucky to find any decent up and coming offensive coordinator who would want to work in this environment. The only way we can change course is if he hires a consultant and allows real football people to fix this mess.

Of course. He went all in on Bryce Young what else does anyone think he is going to say? Anyone can be wrong about a pick even former players. There's still a lot of football left though.

I think we are applying different personal definitions to the term swagger. I am strictly speaking on the field I am aware Bryce Young has a different personality. But to me swagger on the field is being confident in your abilities and your energy feeds into your teammates. There are different reasons for his struggles but Bryce Young is going to have to find that confidence in himself. Even if he turns the ball over forcing passes at least fire off. Show opposing defenses that you will test them. We have almost none of that. Is it all Young? I don't think so. But he does exhibit a tendency to be timid at times out there. If I and other Panthers fans can see it opposing defensive coordinators and players can too. He's going to have to show some kind of spark soon or teams will keep playing him the same way because they have no fear of his arm.

This what we're reduced to hanging our hat on? I like OP for his content and he's a quality contributor overall but instances like this are why people who are realistic about his current outlook as a first overall pick can't have real discussions with some other fans because they are content with lowering the bar further and further.

Oh don't be silly. Cam is not entirely unique in that area other QB's have that command of their offense and dog mentality. Bryce could develop it if he's to be the #1 pick we hope for he will have to. If not we picked the wrong guy. It's that simple.

I could have sworn Jordan Gross played only 1 or 2 more seasons. My mistake. But I do remember what seemed like a lifetime of watching Byron Bell and Nate Chandler attempt to play left tackle and it was horrendous. Those two make Icky even with his sophmore struggles look like an All-Pro. And I think you and I both know if not for Cam Newton's heroics Ron Rivera would have been on the hot seat in his second season. He was conservative to a fault and he finally grew some balls because Cam had enough of that bs. At some point through all this adversity we have to see Bryce Young assert himself as the alpha the number one pick and the face of the franchise and show us even an ounce of that Cam Newton swagger. Build on something anything.

Idk what changed for you then. CJ was the same guy then as he is now. Their stories are yet to be fully written but it would be very Carolina Panthers of us to have taken the lesser of the two. We talked a lot of poo about Marty Hurney and he deserves it but he does get some credit for having the stones to draft Cam Newton with a relic like Jerry Richardson in the background. But. To one of the few moments to JR's credit he didn't meddle in that moment like Dave. He let his general manager make the call.

Well duh. Doesn't mean I have to directly line Tepper's pockets in the meantime.

I think we look back on that roster with rose colored glasses bc of Cam. We filled in some gaps on offense but Olsen had yet to become the force that he grew into with Cam Newton. Shockey was pretty much done after that season. Our interior defense was a sieve for the most part. One of the few bright spots was having Steve Smith. But if you believe rumors he made Cam's life tough in the locker room. And Chud? The guy who lasted one season as a head coach? Cam was the only player drafted that year to remain on the roster. Again. We are looking at that season with a homer view. Cam was a generational talent who maximized some mediocre supporting casts and a very mediocre coach. THAT is what you expect when you draft a QB at 1.

The one thing I'll say is both were dealing with mediocre at best coaching. But Newton had the clear phsyical intangibles you seek in a #1 overall pick that allowed him to overcome a great many obstacles including poor coaching at times. We took who we thought was the QB equivalent of Professor Xavier while passing on other QB's with traits that could be making a difference right now.

Turning the ball over and not reaching the end zone at home says otherwise.

So why weren't you high on CJ Stroud? Was he not enough of a leader like Bryce Young? Just admit you fell for the media driven narrative.

Now folks are saying the Panthers surrounded Cam with weapons throughout his career to prop up Bryce Young's very underwhelming start to his rookie season lol Cam had Jordan Gross for one season then the best he got for the next decade was Michael Oher for one season. Wack ass comparison.

Delusional is believing our QB has performed up to the standards of a #1 pick. The team and the coaches around him all could be a lot better. But Bryce Young himself also could be a lot better. Some of you want to treat him like a newborn baby and protect him from all the bad in the world and the league but I'm sorry the rest of the NFL knows what's up now and defenses have all the film they need. He is either going to work out the kinks this season and salvage his rookie campaign with some wow plays like anyone would expect from a top pick or he is going to enter next season with the word no one wants to hear looming behind him.

What you call context I call coping.

Don't need these hypotheticals. I watched Andy Dalton push the ball downfield and get in the end zone with these same weapons and he's washed AF. I'm hoping Bryce is very motivated by all this and doesn't falter in the face of some very tough adversity. But I just don't know that he has the physical tools to do it in the NFL.

Neither Wilks nor Reich were the right hires. Both fired previously both conservative dinosaurs. We had the chance to go after a promising young offensive coordinator and we played it safe picking between those two.

You're welcome to ride off into the sunset and create your own community where only moderator approved thoughts about Bryce Young are allowed.

It's one single piece of data in a much larger puzzle. At the end of the day as a talent evaluator you have to trust your own eyes. When you have three QB's under consideration for a pick you traded a haul for you trust your own eyes when you see their phsyical abilities or lack thereof. You take either the most physically gifted or the best pure passer. It's honestly baffling to me how many people who are pretty damn smart and have years of football knowledge slept on CJ Stroud like they did. Even our own guys like Steve Smith Cam and Luke. But hey anyone can be wrong that's why the draft is a crapshoot. But really CJ's numbers and arm talent were there for anyone to see. We fell in love with other factors. Remember all the talk of leadership that supposedly CJ Stroud lacked? Such stupidity.

I am immensely grateful for what Cam Newton did for our franchise in terms of changing the culture his willingness to put himself on the line to score his undeniable value to the team and for putting up with a great deal of hate from the media and some of his own fans. I do think he's unable to accept the fact he just isn't physically the same anymore. It sucks in his shoes I would likely have the same struggle. But time is undefeated against us all. Anywho I've noticed that a small number of Bryce Young fanatics try hard to draw parallels with the anti Cam racists and any current Bryce Young criticism and I cannot laugh at it hard enough. These same frauds had jack poo to say about CJ Stroud facing some of the same thinly veiled stereotypes that were directed at Cam Newton before he was drafted. They can kindly have several seats.

It's interesting to consider how we might look under Wilks. But we did get to see and the ugly truth is it wasn't much better. The blowout loss to the Bengals and playing not to lose at home against the Steelers tends to lean toward another Rivera. And word is he wanted to retain Al Holcomb as his DC which was a hard sell to say the least. I tend to think making a run at Steichen until he said yes was the path forward. We went younger with Rhule but we went for a guy who had zero NFL experience who was a fraud and a con man that was our mistake. Since then we've reacted poorly by going for aging retreads like Reich. And honestly Wilks was a retread too. We can't get anything right under Tepper. That's where all the troubles begin.

I'll never understand this. The league exists because of fans. Billion dollar stadiums built for this and most cities use tax dollars to fund them. Worry less about booing and more about giving people a product worth watching.