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ForJimmy you know I like you brother but if Bryce Young's arm were the same level as Burrow we wouldn't be having some of these uncomfortable conversations. Can he get there someday? Hey I hope.

That's what we've been dealing with all along and why these complaints about "haters" are falling on deaf ears for many. Back before the draft I had one poster in particular with a Bryce Young avatar who would spend their day digging through posts I made that they deemed too critical spamming poo reactions. They rarely post now. Go figure.

At this point we know his playing weight is well under 200 even his most outspoken advocates have given up that fight. Well see the not throwing at the combine thing alone isn't the issue it is that it's magnified when paired with the unfortunate reality that so far in his NFL career out of all those QB's you mentioned he's probably only on par with Bridgewater in arm strength. Is that all he is going to be? I can't say. But I very much hope we can boost his confidence and get him at least trying to keep defenses honest. This Miami game is going to tell us a lot about what teams think of his arm.

I don't disagree with you. We aren't going anywhere for the foreseeable future even with LaMelo anyways. No reason to be reviled too.

There were a handful of trolls who did not like him at all just as there are now but for the most part it was fans discussing his pros and cons like every other prospect. I think you are conflating people expressing valid concerns that have already come up again barely a quarter way through the season with hate. I don't like it. You don't like it. But it's there and it's up to Bryce to change the channel and prove he belongs in this league. Andrew Luck? The guy who was the biggest can't miss prospect in the last 20 years? That's the comparison we're landing on here to excuse not throwing at the combine? We both know what's been "going on here" sir. We traded the farm for a QB we were told was the most pro ready and cerebral of the top 3 by a significant margin. That hasn't come to fruition at all for several reasons. But fair or not it means the Panthers discussion is going to be bitter at best. The Panthers decision makers made their own bed. The results the fans have to live with. And in the meantime it's going to remain ugly. Anywho hopefully we can at least make a game of it against the Dolphins. Enjoy it if you're watching.

That happens with every QB class in every draft. People pick a prospect and head to their respective corners. Will Levis got more hate from fans than anyone in the class. Why aren't you drumming up sympathy for him? Anyways fans have no impact on a players draft stock. The media gave CJ Stroud the Cam Newton treatment. He knew it too. For the most part Bryce Young was handled with kid gloves from the media. The fact that you perceive throwing at the combine for a QB under consideration for the top pick to be only for "stans" whatever the hell that means tells me you have your own agenda. What is your definition of "having his back"? I'm guessing it's pretending everything is going well like a mindless drone. Sorry bud the world doesn't work that way. I want him to succeed as much as anyone I don't want my local team to be the joke of the league. If he and the rest of the team play like poo until the game is lost that's what I'm going to call it.

Sometimes the incompetence is so ridiculous all you can do is laugh.

I honestly have no idea how anyone can be crowing about Bryce Young receiving hate before the draft when in fact it was CJ Stroud who was dragged through the mud and had his character and intelligence called into question based on absolutely nothing at all. While Young was afforded the benefit of the doubt from most of the media even after skipping the combine with questions about his weight swirling. These claims might work on someone who has a hazy memory of the events but we have the receipts. Stop the bullshit.

I agree but why haven't they? I'm beginning to think they are trying at all costs to appease LaMelo so he won't leave because he and Miles are close friends. But where do you say enough is enough? Throwing billiard balls at a car your kids are inside of? After a felony DV charge? Bad look for everyone involved. Idk if any of them are worth watching or giving money to at this point.

98% of Panthers fans want him to succeed. Only a few trolls want the team to be horrific and an overall embarrassment. Just as those trolls are making discourse difficult those who want to constantly speak on Bryce's behalf at every little hint of criticism because he's a #1 overall pick are continuing the cycle of repetitive circular arguments. Let him show us all something and stop speaking as if he's already arrived. You are not his mom and dad. He's not playing at Alabama anymore. We need Bryce Young to step up and just play some football and have fun. Don't be timid don't be afraid of throwing a pick looking downfield. Just go out there and give defenses a reason to think you can beat them with your arm. That's why you were the top pick. All this other outside noise doesn't matter.

The Panthers have a lengthy history of being wrong unfortunately. The win/loss record speaks for itself as well. 99% would rather have a football team that looks like they belong in the NFL this team is barely high school level at times. And the folks who were dead set against any QB not named Young were anything but low-key about it. Considering we are now watching pretty much the worst case scenario with this pick it's inevitable these discussions will continue to be prevalent. Sorry you think reality is lame but thems the breaks my guy

What stream service is this being broadcast on?

If the Broncos with the state of their team don't want you that's all that needs to be known. The Broncos would have to pay us to take him.

Through the pre draft process I said in some ways he reminded me a lot of Cam Newton. And he looked up to Cam growing up. I see some of it in how he carries himself as a player and as a man. And some of those laser beams he's been throwing are definitely reminiscent. It's over though. We just gotta hope Bryce Young can grow this season.

I know man it's wild to me that folks are talking up that staff that roster as if it were the best destination out of all the rookie QB's. That was us. Then the same people will turn around and say for certain Stroud would be bad here. The difference maker is Stroud's arm talent and he has every bit the necessary QB IQ to play at this level.

The assessment is accurate. If random dudes on YouTube can see it then obviously defensive coaches watching film can see it and when you see how we are losing games it's obvious no one is afraid of our QB beating them with his arm. Bryce has to stand on his own two feet like the top pick he is and start throwing downfield. If not it's going to be more of the same and it's going to get even uglier.

Anyone can be wrong about a player but my goodness he is embarrassing his doubters at this point. The knocks on his intelligence his character. That mess was shameful. All from the same people who propped up the QB who skipped the combine.

The people entering threads just to do a hater count on anyone not towing the company line to their liking should save their strength. There's still a lot of football left.

We're staring down a winless season who even cares just let him play. Either he's going to sink or swim.

The odds of Tepper hiring someone like Colbert to tell him how to run the team are miniscule. He still hasn't learned a thing and it's fair to wonder if he ever will. His ego isn't going anywhere and that's the biggest hurdle.

Hats off to the young man for what he's done to this point. He's simply destroyed any of the pre-draft foolishness about him as a player and a person. Not to mention he has put the credibility and relevancy of the S2 to shame. He's a great story for the league.

Whew buddy we're a galaxy away from the days of folks spamming poo reactions on anyone with skepticism about Bryce Young huh? Now we want to know who really passed on CJ Stroud.

We've been over the pre-draft stuff but I mentioned it specifically because of Richardson in the context of this conversation whom you brought up. It's perfectly fine if you don't want to wade into those waters again as it's been covered adnauseum I agree. The Burns non trade discussion centered around being able to use those first rounders and the fact those first rounders were minimum 2 years away. And at the time we had not traded a borderline ransom for an undersized rookie QB. Quality pass rush is still more crucial than a running back 9 times out of 10 for competent teams despite the Panthers being an absolute dumpster fire of mismanagement and Brian Burns now being disgruntled. And I will fully acknowledge McCaffrey is a very talented back. But this team would still be lucky to win 5 or 6 games even with him here. We don't have the 49ers oline or their head coach. There are huge factors that work in his favor in San Fran in terms of his significant production.

Before the draft just about everyone agreed Richardson would need the most time to develop out of all the rookie QB's. Now apparently that's actually Bryce Young. Meanwhile Stroud was apparently barely cognitively functional enough to operate a motor vehicle and he wasn't enough of a leader. As far as this veteran grit I'm hearing about. The truth of the matter is CJ Stroud has looked as good or better than any veteran QB and he's only played a handful of games. All this goes to show you that it's a good rule of thumb to trust your instincts and not fall into the traps created by media hype within the draft process. Many people here clearly fell into those traps. Now they want to get angry when faced with the harsh reality we are in. Well that's too bad. We'll see how it goes though. Nowhere to go but up from here.