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If that's all it is we will certainly know by the conclusion of the season. For the sake of everyone's sanity and overall feelings hopefully Brown is the one to unlock it. If however things do not work out that way though I expect this place will not be at all pleasant for some people.

Being that you're a twitter (X) regular it's strange you think cleansing this place is going to lead to all problems being solved. If anything you should be used to this and fully understand this is the way the internet is and will remain as long as humans are involved.

This works both ways and there have been plenty of instances of those on that other side accusing people of simply being haters or that they should go root for this team or that team because they haven't fully bought in to the required group think that's being endorsed at that time. This thread would be a bridge between all that and about positive Panthers news. If people don't want to deal with that they will have every other thread to discuss controversial subjects as much as they would like.

I concur completely. This is one area where our GM inexcusably dropped the ball. Interior pressure has been an ongoing problem through multiple QB's now. We'll see how it shakes out.

If it's just a single place to drop off some positive thoughts that's probably helpful for people to lift their spirits as a break. There are other threads for banter that goes off for pages about one particular issue or other derailed thoughts. It's worth a try if it will help end every other thread from turning into the same positive vs negative free for all.

In the first quarter absolutely he looked like a competent starting QB and showed off some nice passes. He has the necessary zip within 20 yards. That's what we've been waiting to see. But it's beyond that mark where these discussions turn sour because nobody likes talking about it. There are some throws still that just aren't his forte. Maybe it will come with time maybe it's a couple of combined factors within our not adequate offense. The second half concerns me and it's tough to spend a bye week with that as our final images. But we have a new playcaller and a home game. There's a lot at stake in this Texans game beyond the head to head between the #1 and #2 pick. I'd like to see sustained drives and a few 30+ yard completions at minimum. Hopefully the oline is up to the task.

I think you misread the post from the jump. It wasn't an attack on you. I was simply stating that right now Young has probably at best an average or below average NFL arm. He's only 22 and that could change. But the situation is the situation currently. It's difficult to reconcile with the fact that's what we traded up to at number one overall. I don't like it either but it's a reality I'm going to accept for the time being.

Enjoy your safe space bud.

At this point one would have to remove all logic to deem Young a phsyical specimen with an arm capable of putting the ball wherever he wants. It's been well known he has had a little hop motion to make certain throws going back to Alabama. Or he has to put everything he has into it upon given about 5-6 seconds in the pocket to wind up a bomb to a wide open receiver (like the Alabama highlight play that's been floating around here). If we were drafting a project QB in the late 2nd that's one thing. But we were repeatedly assured Young didn't need elite weapons to produce. Now he does. If we're going to chalk that up to things change and sometimes you get it wrong okay but that's not what we should have been looking for in a trade up to first overall for such substantial investment.

I am hoping Thomas Brown is the man to unlock what this offense and Bryce Young have lacked to this point. Hopefully that's a positive enough post to fulfill the required standards.

I don't like the Teddy comparisons but there are some parallels in terms of all the short attempts at or within 10 yards of the LOS. And others have noted Bryce Young has looked different throwing deep since the conclusion of Alabama's 2021 season.

Best of luck to Matt getting his life together but at this point he probably has the better arm between he and Bryce.

Ask yourself this. Why does Bryce Young still look as ineffective throwing deep as he did back in fanfest at BOA when he Corral and Dalton all went through the same passing drills and both looked better than him throwing deep? Remind me. Where is Corral right now?

Why are we attacking OP? We are 0-6 our only points in 3 quarters were from the defense and we got blown out again but we're celebrating a positive PFF grade? This is why we can't talk about Bryce Young.

Looks like the huddle is getting plenty of clicks. But there are people here who simply will not tolerate others not following the carefully crafted narrative that tiptoes around Bryce Young having basically zero deep passing ability.

How could you not remember telling other people they are being unreasonable for being critical of Tepper? We aren't talking about politics we are talking about your own posts. You're doing the same thing now that you did when asked about past remarks over a certain WR we traded that you also emphatically denied. You think having a quality and state of the art practice facility wouldn't have some level of impact on the team?

Everyone says they're a Tepper critic now and he's the worst meddler in the league. Very entertaining.

Just as recent as earlier in the year you were defending him for the Rock Hill fiasco among other things.

Held scoreless for 3 whole quarters but only "dummy" fans screaming for the deep ball think there's a problem

My friend. We're only interacting because you got ants in your pants over PFF of all things. You quoted me. I'm no different than anyone else. Everyone here is wrong a time or another. See Matt Rhule and the majority of the huddle who thought we made the splash of the offseason hiring him. If you want to exit the convo thinking you're big and tough and handing out L's like an online olympian that's perfectly fine my guy. By all means celebrate your internet win. Maybe get you a slice of cake from Harris Teeter to mark the occasion.

Yeah someone in NYC is going to be feeling the heat soon. But do you remember when Giants fans complained for years about Tom Coughlin? What have they done since? Just like with us. Be careful what you wish for.

Hell no I wouldn't be hands off but I wouldn't be in the draft room on the phone line with every prospect prodding my GM and coach to pick this or that guy or make this trade up because even though I flap my gills a ton here I am not a GM. I would hire someone who has been in that position and has had success to find me the people who don't need me in their ear.

It's good to hear you were favorable of Stroud's game. As such you know how important his arm talent and ability to zip pinpoint passes just about wherever he wanted was to his team at Ohio St. Much was said about his receivers being future hall of famers. But he's doing the same thing in Houston with a supporting cast that was an afterthought. Those same traits are there for anyone to see with the Texans. There were others like you who for some reason fell out of favor with Stroud even though nothing about his game changed. The only things that did were his S2 results whispers about his character from thin air and for some reason heat he took from Brady Quinn (lol) about not attending Manning's QB camp. I'm hoping Bryce in another season or two can reach that form physically. We'll see.

It can be a strange league. You either adapt with it year to year or you are left behind. Some of it is just plain good or bad luck too. Look at what happened with Doug Pedersen even after winning a Super Bowl. As much as I think Frank Reich is a dinosaur and needs to leave I am under no illusions that even if we hire what looks like a good head coach after things can change quickly. One trait we need to be on the lookout for is stubbornness. Will to change and adapt should be one of our key expectations for the next man up.

That's wild to me that Daboll's Giants are worse. What a fall from grace. David Tepper couldn't be bothered to give Shane Steichen an in person interview but fell head over heels for Matt Rhule and Frank Reich consecutively. Horrific.