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That's a dick move but I can at least begin to understand why. He knew he was done he tried to get what he could on his way out the door.

Are you okay? You know he has a mom and dad already right? He doesn't need you to adopt him bud. I assure you Bryce Young certainly is. He's got about 37 million reasons at this point in time to keep chugging on regardless of how this is going good or bad. And sorry no one here is required to bow before you and your standards of only praise being allowed. I don't see anyone questioning his character his intelligence or his family history like was done with Stroud. His performance on the field has been assessed as it has with every QB before him. People want him to play better and look like the guy we expect for where we picked. 98% of the folks here will be thrilled to see it. Nobody except for a few trolls wants this team to be bad. But just as those trolls are hindering real dialogue you all or nothing superior fan types aren't helping either.

IE his yes man.

Tua is who most thought he was. He can't win under the bright lights against the best. It's all embarrassing. Do you remember the Doug Flutie comparisons before the draft?

The desperate attempts to compare Bryce to Tua remind me of when folks were comparing Darnold to Tannehill hoping we could replicate that. We see how that turned out for both teams.

The Tepper's got who they wanted.

Yes let's compare our QB with a smaller build than Johnny Manziel to the physical specimen

Cam Newton showed he belonged even in preseason then he put the league on notice his first two regular season starts. Please stop trying to link this pathetic excuse for a passing offense with the only MVP in franchise history because your feelings are hurt people are being critical of a first overall pick. Anywho let's get down to it. What's your definition of "playing well" for Young? Against Minnesota he had a 21.0 QBR. Against the Lions he scored one touchdown when the game was within reach. The Lions gave us whatever we wanted in the 4th quarter because the game was long over. Against the Dolphins Bryce showed a little early promise then proceeded to be stuck in timeout for 3 entire quarters and never saw the scoreboard again. And then there was the Texans game. Our regular season Super Bowl for some fans apparently. 15 whopping points. And 3 of those our kicker absolutely labored for to win the game. What a barn burner! Should we discuss the Colts game? Too soon?

If you weren't saying this in defense of Teddy Bridgewater or Sam Darnold this just sounds like sour grapes bud.

This place is cope city. Just read a post in the Bears thread blasting the coaching staff for not rolling Bryce Young out of the pocket more "like Mahomes". Well there's just a few key differences there but we don't want to burst anyone's bubble.

But yeah this could be another blood and guts type loss for the Panthers. Too many elements at play to the Bears advantage and we just looked like asswater at home.

How does any of this make a difference if Bryce Young isn't seeing the field adequately enough? How does one throw not one but two awful pick sixes to the same defender?

This is incredibly vague. First of all what is your definition of struggling? Just turning the ball over making rookie mistakes while still scoring touchdowns has been fairly common with good to great quarterbacks in their rookie seasons. But simply looking like they don't physically belong at times? That's something different altogether. Not what you want to see from any first overall pick. Like I said in another thread. It's giving Johnny Football vibes.

All homerism aside we are fitting our offense to Bryce Young's phsyical limitations and it shows. Howell is a young QB who has turned it over a lot but he doesn't have those same limitations and he has deep ball ability. I've said all along I'm giving Bryce until the end of the season to show me something but we can't change who he is physically so my gut says we traded up to 1 to draft a game manager type of QB at best. It's a rough time to be a Panthers fan. He's a young QB turnovers are going to happen. But he's still moving the ball downfield and scoring touchdowns. I could live with BY turning the ball over if he weren't still hovering around bottom of the league in key statistics. It's not good no matter who else you want to blame man. You're going to have to begin acknowledging reality. Good luck.

The Commanders are as big of a dumpster fire as us they've given up 44 sacks compared to our 29 and still Howell is 4th in the league in passing yards per game and 7th in the league in touchdowns. Enough with the excuses.

We can only speculate his influence. But he's been in on just about every draft pick phone call and he finds a way to get his mug in there at any significant press conference. Then there were the remarks Reich made about differences in ownership approach. The only question now is how much is he actually dictating to Scott Fitterer on major decisions. At this point one would have to be very naive to believe Mr. and Mrs. Tepper didn't influence at some level the decision on who to pick at #1. They didn't hide who they wanted. Until they change their ways we will continue to flounder and embarrass ourselves.

Cringe doesn't even begin to describe that. But sadly they are still in a much better position than us and they are on their backup QB's. We are a joke. Worse than a punchline.

I like you Scot. But after dozens of posts of you telling me and others in a condescending manner that David Tepper isn't a meddler this is very delicious. 2297baa2-aa36-462d-884d-a4eec51249db.mp4

Many people expressed concern about the level of involvement from Mr. and Mrs. Tepper in the process but others here who are still dying on that hill or have gone missing after last weekend shouted everyone down and attacked.

Considering what we've invested I really wish I could disagree. But it's there in the tape the eye test doesn't lie.

If we had drafted this kid in the mid rounds your constant anguish on his behalf might have some semblance of sense given the risk vs reward of the investment. But we all know that's not the case. What it boils down to for you and some others is you simply do not want anyone poking holes in your bubble to cope with our current predicament. You should create your own community and go live out that fantasy as you see fit.