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So Sam Howell isn't working with super dependable elite WR's after all? And he's been sacked about 50 times?

Ah yes filling up the IR so there is an excuse to fall back on. The faces and names in the front office change but it's more of the same. I cannot see how anyone can still defend Fitterer at this point.

It was discussed at length here at the time. But anyone that expressed concern about it was shouted down and attacked.

You don't remember what created the cheesy moniker of Riverboat Ron? Yes punting and settling for field goals made him unpopular in his early games here. Which seems like a crazy notion given what we have come to accept now. I concur there are multiple areas in need of refinement and issues to be solved. Unfortunately if you watch how defenses play us they have taken to sitting on the short routes waiting to be fed pick sixes. They know what's coming. That's deeper than coaching and lack of talent unfortunately. I agree about Tepper. He may never change. He is the definition of ego driven. I do not think he even necessarily cares about winning. He only wants to win if it's his way and he's heavily involved so he can brag.

Well that's the thing Carl you have to be able to at least move the ball at a decent pace if we want to win. Sitting at dead last in yards per attempt is not going to achieve that goal. We have lowered the bar to where we look at settling for field goals as a small victory whereas we used to eviscerate Ron Rivera's teams for it.

I know it eats at you that Bryce Young still hasn't led an offense to surpass that. Chin up Carl. It could happen. Here's to hoping

Still the most amount of points on the season whether we like it or not. That's pathetic any way you slice it.

Excellent team win last night. Even Gordon Hayward finally showed up. Fug the Celtics.

Just an observation but it concerns me how no defender remotely gives a poo that Tremble is running free across the middle. Now I'll be the first to say Tommy has had an up and down career with us thus far but he hasn't been developed either. I think he could be a pretty good TE with the right coaching. Back to the point though. The defenders all head toward the sideline with Mingo because they have been well coached and watch film. They knew where the ball was going because they know Bryce's tendencies. More often than not there is absolutely no threat of Bryce Young throwing downfield. We can blast Reich the OL Mingo or whomever. The tape doesn't lie.

He is terribad and a dinosaur no question. Even if we move on I would not expect a quick turnaround. As woeful as his scheme is the question is how much of it is to fit Bryce. The same scheme was not worst in the league with Dalton.

People keep making this their first line of defense. Yet our highest offensive output on the season with this same group was from Dalton.

Not perfect that's never been an expectation or demand. In fact before the season I said many times to people here who were fully being homers expecting him to lead us to the playoffs in his rookie season that they should cool their jets and that he will throw interceptions and that's fine. I have no issues with turnovers if we're actually moving the ball down the field. But what I got was frankly an inferior version of Teddy Bridgewater ball. Yes Teddy Bridgewater attempted to move the ball downfield more often than Bryce Young. That isn't up for debate at this point. I had Stroud as 1 Bryce as 2a and Richardson as 2b. When we selected Bryce I supported him and even told people who ridiculed him for his height to pipe down. I've said really very little about his size since the draft that's not even my concern. He seems to lack the phsyical traits to be a franchise QB at this point. There just isn't anything there that stands out and makes you say wow that's why they drafted this kid first overall. I'm getting the sense you're just suggesting I hate Bryce Young and if such is the case we have no further to go in this conversion so I'll catch you on the flip side I guess.

I appreciate your info from the game film. We agree completely about getting the ball downfield. Now. Let's dig just a bit deeper on that. Is that lack of any downfield threat from both our QB deciding where to go with the ball and our receivers being not good making the job of our oline pass blocking significantly more difficult? The run game was fine yesterday for the most part. Teams see all this on tape. Many things need to change with this team. But Bryce Young has to prove he can beat defenses with his arm and until he does they will keep playing him the same way.

The Giants have been a hot mess this year and DaBoll has often looked nothing like he did last season. Barkley is usually on the injury list more often than not. I have seen now two different NFC backup QB's who went undrafted play above their circumstances for the Bears and the Giants two of the current worst teams in the entire league. Yes we have covered all the Panthers issues. Andy Dalton's one start is still our highest offensive output of the season. We still need to see our #1 pick play above his circumstances despite it all.

Hey more power to you. That's all I'm doing as well. If you don't like it so be it. But I am not alone in feeling this way. Have a good one!

Does this not seem inconsistent to you? For one QB you must make excuses and seek out a responsible party but for the other QB who actually performed above and beyond his circumstances you seek ways to blame him for being sacked? You guys are biased too.

Well at some point you have to ask tough questions like is part of our woes fitting the offense to Bryce Young's strengths. We're forcing everything into one predictable box and it can't all be because Frank Reich is the most incompetent coach in NFL history. When you're this bad you have to assess everything and everyone.

We're not going to forgive or forget David Tepper's meddling and incompetence. If Bryce can't turn things around this will be talked about for years to come. You should make peace with that.

They're both poo. But you can't deny the undrafted kid produced despite the circumstances.

We seem to end up back at footwork often. Some of that can be forgiven since the OL is in such a state of disarray. But some of it is also just who Bryce Young is and had been at Alabama. His pocket tendencies and habits were created out of necessity due to his limitations we knew full well about. When we get the OL in better condition he's going to have to begin succeeding in traditional from center plays. This over reliance on shotgun has to go.

Tommy DeVito was sacked nine times yesterday.

Yet somehow still better than the Giants oline.

Don't get your hopes up folks. Tepper is going to let this drag out as long as possible because he knows he pushed them to draft the QB he wanted.