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The most pro ready of the QB class needs perfect circumstances to be even serviceable as a starter and we've got people within the building texting Ben Johnson like "run.." lol. This is an embarrassment.

Yeah there can be multiple things true at one time. The oline has been bad and the receivers have had some costly drops especially guys like TMJ doing his best Dwayne Jarrett impression. But the job of the oline has been made more difficult by both the scheme and the limitations of Bryce Young so far in this offense with the lack of play action the lack of snaps from under center and Bryce Young himself. We have to acknowledge some of this is only exacerbating our oline problems. Then you have the lack of any semblance of a downfield connection and you can see defenders just sitting on short routes reading Bryce Young's eyes. It's all bad. All that's left is to hope a reset with Reich exiting the picture will help. But on the flip side of that the fact that the Panther PR is arguing that firing McCown is supposed to help Bryce because he's supposedly had too many people in his ear doesn't jive with what we were sold in April and the weeks leading up because he was supposed to be the most pro ready and coachable of the draft class.

At this point as low as we've sunk I would be fine with Harbaugh. I don't see him being a long term match with Tepper though. That only works if Dave is hands off for the most part.

We didn't trade up and forfeit a premium talent at a position of need for Mingo. If BY were some kid we took a mid round flyer on most would shrug and keep it pushing. If you just want to silence conversation you don't agree with just be upfront about that because clearly that's what you seek.

That's a good start sir kudos to you. But do you or others see the inconsistency in declaring Mingo was the wrong pick in only 11 career games while arguing there's no way we can definitively judge Bryce Young who is operating within the same set of unfortunate circumstances? I'd like to see both with different coaching and go from there. In the meantime if either or both play poorly call it like you see it on a game by game basis and hope for improvement along the way. Seems pretty straightforward rather than spending every week digging in on the same defenses and firing off haymakers at each other for expressing concerns. First order of business. Don't look like poo against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

I think most of us can agree on the fact Bryce Young is going to get the rest of this season and next season to prove whatever he can at this level regardless of whatever degree of likelihood we think that has of having a positive outcome. Yes there is a level of trolling around this subject and it can be toxic but the people who have made it their mission to be both his agent and sworn protector are just as if not more toxic than anyone else. Truly they are some of the worst I've interacted with in the 2 decades I've been around the Panthers.

All this from the guy who was up at 4 am pooing posts lol. Maybe take a breather from the Panthers and stop staying up all night.

Are you alright bud?

Idk he's not played particularly well but he's flashed occasionally at least. If I'm willing to acknowledge so many things in the offense and staff are poor around Bryce then I'm willing to give Mingo a chance with a clean slate now that Reich is gone too.

I want to believe there's no way Scott Fitterer's job could be safe in the midst of all this but I don't know.

Yeah at this point as inept stubborn and outdated as Reich and his offense was a new coaching hire is only going to be able to do so much. We are going to have to sink big $$ into this interior OL to not only make Bryce's life easier in general but to help him see the field. It's sobering knowing we traded what we did to draft the most apparently physically limited QB of the class but what's done is done. Hopefully this whole thing has some kind of light at the end of the tunnel. Time will tell.

Can you imagine these two trying to coexist? Sounds like a terrible match.

Correct answer.

Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut once in awhile. The problem with Tepper is even if he finally makes the right hire he just can't help himself from meddling. Unless he's willing to do that the end result will likely be the same.

The more we talk about it the more I just struggle to believe both Reich and McCown wanted Young and had him head and shoulders above Stroud.

Of course he's in the top 10 issues he's our QB and a number one pick we traded a top 10 WR for. Let's not be ridiculous. That does not mean he is the only issue though. No I do not think he's Jimmy Clausen. Though simple reality says this offense is on par with the 2010 offense. Some of that has been scheme OL and poor WR play. But unequivocally Bryce has had his role in this. He has got to start proving his arm is franchise QB worthy. Defenses are not at all concerned about that right now regardless of our circumstances. And I do not think starting Dalton is an option. Bryce has to learn and take his lumps now and next season. There can be no waving of a white flag by sitting him. He either sinks or swims that's the way it's always been. I want us to defeat the Bucs and I really hope Bryce outshines Baker. The alternative is extremely depressing.

Whew buddy there is a lot to unpack with this post. You are mistaking your opinion with fact. CJ Stroud displayed indisputable arm talent at OSU. Though his supporting cast was talented he clearly did indeed elevate his receivers in college and he is doing so in Houston. The talk of needing to adjust to the speed of the game was nonsense. He looks pretty damn good with the speed of the game. In fact the one who looks the worst in that area from the draft class is Bryce Young. You do not know what CJ Stroud would look like here. I don't know either. But he is having one of the best rookie seasons ever and we passed on that. You can't revise history either pal.

All I know is if Baker Mayfield looks like the best QB on the field...oh wee mayne.

When you account for all this it is simply baffling trying to understand why this staff would have wanted to limit themselves to this with Young versus Stroud or even AR/Levis. Especially knowing you just hit reset at running back and more importantly wide receiver. This is basically the Cleveland Browns of yesteryear before they finally ended their postseason drought. And that was with bum ass Baker Mayfield.

Mac Jones is 28th in QBR Bryce Young is 29th.

Please no.

The defense has certainly taken a step back as the season went on. But are you seriously going to sit there and act like the offense has not demoralized the entire team? Multiple fumbles pick sixes endless wasted drives. That doesn't all add up? You'll throw anyone under the bus to protect Bryce. AceBoogie I got news for folks like you and Carl Spackler. That's not your baby. He's got a mommy and daddy. He doesn't need you hijacking every thread to throw yourself in front of him as a human shield. 21f33bc2-e8ea-405f-a7d7-0e31aa7d4d3c.mp4

Yeah my biggest concern in all this talk of fitting the offense to Bryce's strengths is how poorly this has worked for Mac Jones in NE. And Jones was more successful between the two at Alabama. Whether he ran it at Alabama or not you have to get Bryce running PA successfully. If he can't it does not matter who we hire from here.

What does Derrick Brown's adjustment to the NFL have to do with Bryce Young? Is DB an undersized defender with limited at best physical traits?