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Finally...

I would stay the course with LaMelo at least through next season to see how he and the rest of the team respond to a new staff and a new front office. All that being said. That will come with no uncertain terms that the bullshit is over with. Players that don't give a damn to put in any effort can be shown the door. James Bouknight? Peace. As far as comparing him to McCaffrey or Moore? Cmon.... Combined CMC and Moore's contracts are only a fraction of the contract Ball signed. Both were also more mature and aware enough not to be seen casually yucking it up with low effort players on the sideline while they were injured and the team was getting blown off the field. I think most fans want LaMelo here. But they also want him to actually care about basketball. We'll see what happens.

Maybe he wants to see it more than one game and not against one of the worst performing secondaries in the league. Some people have standards. Wild concept for some here apparently.

I mean did he do well? He was 48th out of 50 in YAC...

As far as I've seen one maybe two people still held a somewhat favorable opinion of Scott Fitterer's roster building ability before he was finally relieved of his duties. In the end all of the what if scenarios about what we could done differently or who we could have hired or drafted or signed and even CJ Stroud himself can't change Bryce Young's phsyical build. Bryce needs to live in the weight room this offseason if there is hope. We'll see.

Of course he did. He's extending a lifeline to his good friend and also a fellow athlete. He's a good person and also exhibits striking leadership ability that absolutely blows those foolish pre-draft notions out of the water. But make no mistake. He knows the Panthers fuged up. He wouldn't have worn that Kobe Bryant Hornets shirt otherwise. And even in taking the high road like this he is still rubbing the Tepper's noses in it. Hey good for him.

Mitch was smart enough to take Brandon Miller but he's still an unconscionable idiot for that trade.

I don't doubt that the Commanders are not appealing and a messy situation but Ben Johnson himself sounds arrogant and self absorbed. Stay in Detroit bitch.

You are too personally invested in this it really isn't that deep. Only two things matter. Can he coach? And can Dan Morgan actually build a roster? Stay tuned.

I'm with you on Miller. I was skeptical before the draft. I couldn't be happier to see him playing as well as he is. He also looks like one of the only players that actually gives a damn. Who would hate on him at this juncture? Depending on where we will pick in the upcoming draft I would absolutely entertain all scenarios to upgrade our team and most importantly the culture. Only untouchables at this point should be Miller and Mark.

Exactly. If this were happening to one of our division rivals every one of these people would be laughing their asses off.

The only grievances I'm seeing so far are all from posters who have been toxic toward the rest of the board over honest assessment of our #1 pick. It's hilarious.

They engage others just as much if not more than they are engaged. Furthermore the pro Young/against Stroud guys were extremely toxic in the lead up to and in the months that followed the draft. I didn't hear a peep out of you about that.

It's amusing going back and reading this stuff. It reads like sheer fantasy. For comparison sake and honestly an even better laugh read their grade for Stroud. The lazy hot takes did not age well at all. https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/player/Coleridge-Stroud-QB-OhioState

Anything that makes you look like you were wrong is a lie because you are incapable of being wrong. That's your position. I don't think we have any further to go with the conversation. Thanks.

Oh don't be so dramatic. We're all just fans talking. You have been wrong I've been wrong others have been wrong. You just seem to have a harder time admitting it. Pride. Hey I didn't think Scott Fitterer would be so horrific at drafting. I also wanted to keep Brian Burns around instead of trading him. Now I don't know. Also just to point this out. The very thread we are in that you created. You flip flopped on Bryce Young hard. I don't blame you mind you. You can't deny what you have seen with your own two eyes. But you're over here talking about lies and respect after going back and forth with a lot of people going to bat for Bryce before and after the draft. You even made a thread to lowkey call me out. Truth and lies are a two way street. Have a nice weekend man!

I'm not blaming any of them for doing their jobs. And I'm not absolving the Panthers. I'm acknowledging what transpired. All anyone had to do was watch the game film. We had Scott Fitterer who thought he was a next level big brain and passed on Stroud because he didn't score well on a flavor of the month test. Could be that the Tepper's had involvement and pushed for Bryce. I think they wanted Bryce largely in part due to how he sold the Tepper's on his personality. We can only speculate. But the problem this creates is Dan Morgan was right there in the thick of it and we're expecting him to fix this roster. I'm trying to be hopeful but yeah...

You used to enter threads and simp for Tepper and tell other people they're just being haters. This was before it became common knowledge he's a meddling egomaniac. That's factual. Other people saw the posts too. I'm sorry you don't like to admit that. As for Anderson. You and I both know you were on that train. Hell I was too at one point. But I never thought he was as good or better than DJ Moore and I didn't spend my days dogging on DJ while praising Anderson like you did

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm not saying Bryce is a bad person or that he is necessarily wrong to do what he did. That's for another debate. All I'm saying is it is perfectly okay to acknowledge that Bryce Young and his agents did engage in deception and game the system to a degree at the combine to retain his draft stock. Because they know what would have happened otherwise.

Oh I'm not at all absolving the Tepper's and their hired yes men believe me. If you want a scathing assessment I believe the decision makers preferred Bryce over CJ for reasons not entirely about performance on the football field. And they deserve every bit of the ire directed their way for such foolishness.

People can certainly blame the player. Might not be fair based on your own individual opinion. But that's sports. There's no shortage of 1st overall busts that have taken a heap of personal criticism. Was anyone saying what you're saying on behalf or Jamarcus Russell? Hmm? Nope. Bryce Young got a lot of cover from the media due to playing for Alabama while CJ Stroud was portrayed as a pretty much an idiot and vilified for his upbringing. It shows not much has changed with the draft process unfortunately.

It's just simple bias no different than anyone else. The ironic thing is for all of his criticisms of DJ Moore he was fairly staunchly complimentary of Robbie Anderson. That worked out well.

This facade is just sad. The 2023 season and CJ Stroud really broke ol' poundaway.

Wow what a lunatic. Hopefully he gets some help.