frankw

I watched most of the game I had to work part of the day. It's interesting you think anyone who doesn't automatically agree with you didn't actually watch the games. Yet you accuse others of talking out their ass.

Yeah because we all know Bryce Young has spent the majority of his 43 career games immediately looking "downfield".

Regardless of Icky whiffing horribly on that play from the moment the ball was snapped Bryce was a deer in the headlights and never even turned his head in either direction. Not what you want to see from your left tackle but also not what you want to see that late in the game from your third year QB who you have gone out of your way to point out had recognized and felt pressure at other points in the game. You can rabble on the rest of the night about people not watching the game. Doesn't change the facts. Doesn't unring that bell that was opportunity knocking for the division and a playoff spot.

Plenty of us even the outspoken critics have give him credit for the impressive plays he's made. The box score watcher claims do make me laugh though because it's not as if Bryce is some kind of unicorn at the position where there is an untold story in the stat line. That's also very indicative of where we're at though on the whole conversation isn't it? I mean Bryce Young hasn't done anything whatsoever that we haven't seen UDFA Kyle Allen do and we only gave that guy 12 starts. Bryce Young has had nearly 4 times that and there are still some people who are basically resetting the clock between games. And these same people cannot understand why others are fed up. We've never seen this level of benefit of the doubt for any other Panthers QB based on a full picture of career starts. At this point the meat of Bryce's game is what it is. In order for Bryce Young to have a big day he needs either the other team to shīt the bed or he needs everything on our end to go perfectly with excellent pass protection virtually at all times. But how rare is that? How many times have we just blown the doors off teams with Bryce Young at QB and when that happened how did we accomplish it? There's a reason even the most impressive wins from Bryce Young have always been within one score. The limitations of his game are what they are regardless of how talented the moving parts around him may or may not be. Nothing in that regard has changed or will change. It is what it is.

It's all about evaluating the full body of work. Winning multiple close games by the skin of your teeth and then losing divisional games against inferior opponents like the Saints when something is finally on the line doesn't sound sustainable. We win when it's not expected and flounder when there are expectations. We perceive any wins as massive improvement when in reality we are at the bare floor of what competitive teams expect let alone actual consistent playoff contenders.

Idzik at this point is an afterthought and should be regarded as such going forward. In terms of Canales as playcaller there's just nothing I've seen to suggest that he is or will ever get to the caliber of a Sean McVay or Andy Reid where you say to yourself this guy should always be calling plays. The only coaches he's truly outcoached in top to bottom blowouts are guys like Raheem Morris and Antonio Pierce. Not impressed. There's nothing wrong with having a capable OC and many teams in the league operate this way just fine. We'll see how it all shakes out though.

This is the second time someone has thrown Matt Kalil in my face and I am just flabbergasted anyone thinks that is some kind of gotcha. That was always a very stupid decision and a panic move fully created by Dave Gettleman's lack of ability to build an OL through the draft despite his entire persona revolving around hog mollies. And while throwing Matt Kalil in my face you wholly omit the fact that Cam Newton had this team competing in the division with Byron Bell on his left and Nate Chandler on his right. Then we added Amini Silatolu for good measure. Is there a specific reason you're wanting to go back 15 years now? Suddenly you don't want to discuss the amount of money and draft capital we have tied up in this offense present day? If you want to take a stroll down memory lane let's talk turkey. From 1998 to 2013 the Panthers never selected a first round WR in any draft. That's none in fifteen years. FIFTEEN YEARS. Then after drafting Kelvin Benjamin we didn't draft another WR in the first round until 2018. We have drafted first round WR's in back to back drafts in 2024 and 2025 including at 8th overall for the first time in franchise history. We left the linebacker room to be a complete empty void in order to continue to build up this offense. If you truly see any parallels with our historic investment in the offense present day to past teams you might as well be Mr. Magoo. This was always primarily a defensive team identity wise for the better part of 2 decades and any Panthers fan worth their salt knows this. Why I'm having to argue this with you is absurd.

Evans is still in his first year so the learning process is still in full swing. Tremble and Evans should have a firmer grasp to say the least. But as critical as we can be of the group and the ridiculous inconsistency we should keep coming back to Canales. Where is the development? As I said in another thread he needs to relinquish playcalling duties and focus on the the moving parts of the team as a whole. His stubborn resistance to this is going to end with him getting fired. Just my opinion.

Blow out the Falcons. Blown out by the Patriots. Squeak by the Dolphins with a QB they just benched (who is Bryce Young's best comp). Squeak by the Cowboys. Squeak by the Jets in an abysmal offensive performance. Blown out by the Bills. Squeak by the Packers. Lose to the Saints starting a rookie QB who has a career day. Squeak by the Falcons. Lose in embarrassing fashion to the 49ers in primetime. Squeak by the Rams. Lose to the Saints with the same rookie QB with the division and playoffs on the line. When you see it all in print it really isn't impressive. Could argue we need both a new QB and a new head coach.

I presented that scenario because this is a home game and we seemed to have improved in some capacity in that area as of recently. The problem with the possibility of sweeping the Bucs is this team has had a habit of quickly falling victim to momentum shifts. The Bucs are coming off a bitter loss the same as the Panthers but the Bucs have a much better proven track record this time of year and they have performed when the pressure is on unlike our Panthers. We have a shot against the Seahawks here in BOA but that is a matchup that could quickly get out of hand because they are a well coached team and that goes back to the momentum shifts I mentioned. I just don't see this team beating the Bucs in their stadium to close the season. Tall order to say the least.

The Panthers are so comically inconsistent they could very well defeat the Bucs this Sunday and then lose the final 2 games.

The same folks crying about the OL right now were crying about it in 2023 too. We have tied up over 100 million dollars in two interior olinemen alone and we have Taylor Moton inked to a recent extension. We've invested multiple first and second round picks in the offense. We hired an offensive minded head coach. This is an offensive team. The offense needs to produce or people need to be replaced.

This is the same place that has ridiculed and blasted Caleb Williams at every opportunity he has his team sitting at 10-4 in the same NFC that the Panthers are competing in. And their division in the NFC North is as or more competitive as our division. Yet from the same people who have very high standards for Williams we get every excuse imaginable for the smallest starting QB in the league even when he and his team continue to disappoint when the pressure is on. You lot aren't any less inconsistent than anyone else.

Nobody on the huddle is saying we have an elite group offensively across the board. They aren't great. They're young. If you are expecting someone to agree with your position of blaming everyone around Bryce Young nearly three full seasons into his career you are going to be left holding the bag save for a handful of people who act like they are paid to defend his honor. Bryce Young is not a guy who has had to claw and fight his way into starting jobs in football. He's had the best to work with and been gifted roles since he was a teenager. The Panthers have one of the youngest rosters in the league and with us needing an infusion of young defensive talent in the upcoming draft we're only going to get younger. We need a QB who possesses the ability to elevate those around him. If you can't agree with me on that then there's nothing further to discuss.

All Bryce and the Panthers had to do was split with the Saints and a rookie QB. The bar was so low. They even had a whole bye week to prepare. The time for singing kumbaya was before that game. Anyone still talking about Bryce earning a second contract 43 games into his career is living a fantasy. He might get one from the Tepper owned Panthers but he's damn sure not earned it.

Do you even hear yourself? I used to laugh at the old guys who would chime on here complaining about participation trophies in modern sports but the Bryce Young era and folks like you have unfortunately brought legitimacy to such assertions.

We've clearly established that Evero is NOT the guy. So why is he here? Wasn't he a package deal when Canales was hired? Didn't our owner basically force Evero to stay this year and refused an interview request? But I thought he was no longer meddling?

Bryce Young against the Saints in 2 games 32/49 287 yards 1 TD 1 INT 5.8 yards per attempt Sacked 3 times Tyler Shough against the Panthers in 2 games 43/59 554 yards 3 TD's 0 INT 9.5 yards per attempt Sacked 7 times *but Bryce Young avoided pressure like a pro. HANG THE BANNER

I'm currently seeing worse things said about LaMelo Ball and he and Bryce Young are basically kindred spirits in terms of accomplishing anything whatsoever for their respective teams. It's almost like fans get tired of seeing the face of the franchise take them nowhere.

How low is the bar for Bryce Young that you're spending a Friday night grasping at straws for something to praise him for by finding a silver lining in him avoiding pressure while being swept by Tyler Shough and the rebuilding Saints? My god man. Pull yourself together.

With the NFL being directly in bed with these sportsbooks now it's much more difficult to chalk these instances up to just incompetence.

The notion that people are just biased against Bryce Young is both laughable and offensive. It's crazy looking back at how bitter and ugly conversations got about Cam Newton here in the past even when he had us competing in and winning the division people hated him. And that was in a division with prime Drew Brees and Matt Ryan! We've got a 24 year old #1 overall pick that can't even take the reigns of a ridiculously weakened division when it's ripe for the taking and the only team that stands in our way is the rebuilding Saints. But if you speak out of school you're a pariah and one of those fans that is holding the franchise back. Legitimately fug these people.

Folks have been civil here for a long time but it's time to take the gloves off with people like this who just want to blame their fellow fans for what ails this franchise. Trash.

If anyone feels like they can't have a conversation about Bryce Young nearly three full seasons into his career maybe assess why and how these conversations end this way instead of looking to shoot the messenger. Why is it okay to label anyone else on the team or coaching staff trash? Folks on the huddle and across the fanbase on social media have fully thrown anyone and everyone including rookie 8th overall pick TMac fully under the bus multiple times this season. But some of you guys apparently expect a pat on the back because Bryce Young successfully evaded a few potential sacks while Tyler Shough got consumed by our pass rush throughout the game and still had a superior performance. The state of this division is hilariously mediocre at best. Bryce Young is the only player on this roster who is allowed to have the lowest bar possible yet we have invested the most resources in him. It's lunacy.

You should get on the payroll bub. Don't work for free.