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I an not missing it I am disagreeing with it. Can you guys discuss without the condescending insinuation that the other party is basically brain dead to see what you're articulating? Both sides of this debate want to be right but the one thing we should be able to agree on is the Panthers are not some consistent franchise that has a track record to dictate trends. We do not compare to McVay or Sirianni or any of the teams with established winning coaches and established QB situations no matter how many times we want to say their names. Andy Reid might as well be in another universe compared to us. Let's win this season opener and then start thumping our chests little by little. Until then this logic of hanging our hats on what other coaches are or aren't doing is just desperation from a franchise in the cellar.

Hmm let's see here. Listen to the guy with 4 Super Bowl rings or the guy with zero? That's a tough one!

Most coherent and reasonable fans are encouraged but very cautiously optimistic for extremely plainly obvious reasons. I mean hey let's be real here. The most ugly game of the Panthers season and one of the worst games in franchise history against the Jaguars missing their starting QB occurred directly after Bryce and the rest of the offenses best game of the season against the Packers. It is perfectly reasonable to take the cautious optimism approach with this team.

Numbers aren't the issue he's been very good in the regular season it's the lack of championship mentality. That throw short of the sticks in his last playoff game on 4th down was the summary of his postseason career. Vikings said peace. Don't blame them one bit. But again certainly any of us would take those numbers for BY over the worst starting QB in the league. That kind of a jump doesn't seem possible though as another poster has laid out the framework for what it would look like if Bryce made that high of a jump in one season. It would be one of if not the most improbable immediate career turnarounds in the history of the league probably .

I'm no Cousins fan but you do make a valid point. Production wise that would be something for us to at least hang our hats on. But overall trajectory wise if Bryce's ceiling is somehow Cousins I'd still be drafting another QB to develop behind him as insurance. Kirk has never legitimately competed for a title. Regular season stat padding sure but that's it.

Both Bryce and Ickey looking improved and worthy of their draft selection? I am intrigued. Let's increase this sample size and maybe we might actually have something here.

Nobody here knows what's going to happen. It's interesting you complain about the way I presented your position as if there is some fascinating and deep reasoning you're holding onto in your back pocket and then refuse to provide anything other than speculation same as me. You can have the last word. Been good chatting with you.

Trying to perform a psychological analysis on someone online over a difference of opinion regarding approach to preseason of all things is probably a pretty good indicator that you are as much a part of the perceived problem as the others that you claim are hindering dialogue so much.

Why don't we just spare each the rabble rousing and just define our positions so we can move on? I want the Panthers and specifically this third coaching staff in three years to prove to me that this is the path before I buy in like I'm being sold a timeshare by some huckster I just met. You believe it's the correct call because you think that's what a good fan should do or you just believe it in your gut or because Dave Canales has such a strong jawline and powerful charisma and charm that he just couldn't possibly be wrong about this. In the end my preference is for you to be proven right because that means we are actually moving in a good direction for a change. Differing opinions are good. We both want the same result anyway. Settled? Cool.

It wouldn't be a thread without a csx post. Good to see ya. At least you finally gave up on trying to send folks to the burn ward with Eeyore quips.

DeMeco Ryans has already won a playoff game in his first season as a head coach. The Panthers haven't been to the playoffs since what the 2017 season? But we've finally found the formula everyone. No more preseason for us

He actually came back to poo your post. Comical levels of butt hurt. It's interesting that those who talk the most about other fans being the problem are just as if not more toxic.

Sean McVay and Andy Reid can do whatever they damn well please at this point because they are established championship coaches. You and any other Panthers fan can list off however many successful teams you want to justify your position it still doesn't validate the Panthers position on preseason until they actually prove anything on a competitive level. It's wild that we have to argue over things like this. The onus is entirely on the Panthers and their first time head coach that is trying to both dig the worst team in the NFL out of a hole and also last years worst starting QB out of the same hole. I'm of the opinion that with all of this in mind full picture maybe it would be prudent to exhaust every avenue possible to increase the possibility that the team will be ready come the start of regular season considering there are new roster additions in a new offense a new scheme with an all new coach and staff. The fact that anyone is trying to insinuate to me that this is somehow an outright unreasonable position is quite amusing. I guess we will have to agree to disagree kind sir's.

The Carolina Panthers have been the worst team in the NFL for at least 3 years. No resting starters isn't some unique thing that just started happening recently. I dont think anyone myself included are arguing that. But the teams you mentioned along with the Rams have earned some level to a high level of the benefit of the doubt as they have each been competitive. I mean you have multiple Super Bowl contenders in that list with consistent sustained success. The Panthers have earned absolutely not even a sliver of the benefit of the doubt to make bold moves and declarations about anything. We're on our 3rd head coach in 3 seasons lol. Do I hope they are right on this? Hell yes. Do I automatically expect it will turn out fantastic for us? Bluntly no I do not. We'll see how it goes.

Black cat mascot doesn't help. But we've also had a sketchy training staff and bad luck with injuries for what feels like forever.

Let's be completely honest with one another. Tepper pushed for the trade and got what he wanted because he was desperate for some good publicity for a bit. All we had to do was stand pat and take Levis if we wanted to shoot our shot on a QB. And keep our picks in the process. Even if we still stunk we would still pick 1 and actually have the pick. But in the end even if you do trade up to 1 you don't play stupid games. You take the best arm talent available. We know who that was now. Some of us knew then.

The only team that thinks preseason is useless is also the reigning worst team by a significant margin until proven otherwise. Also anyone trying to compare us to the Rams at this point in time is about to OD on hopium.

Liquid gold...

The Panthers are truly the absolute last NFL team that should be attempting to sell this preseason isn't a big deal notion to their fanbase. Last year they looked like asswater in the preseason. Then they looked like asswater in the regular season. Clearly there's some level of carryover. Get some damn live reps.

Our defense frustrating Rodgers pleases me. Anyone read about A-A Ron going all Karen when someone asked him if he's Jordan Rodgers brother lol? fuging classic.

At this point I've been critical of TMJ but as milquetoast as our offense has been lately I'll take any kind of edge I can get. Talk trash. But make big plays and reward your defense.

Evero has this defense balling. Offense better match the intensity this season.

Love the long throw to 88. Wallace getting a pick excites me. We need to keep Boone. Hot take: Carolina Mustard BBQ Sauce is delicious.