frankw

Guys just keep in mind it's important to separate in this discussion people who have low or not good expectations for the outcome with people who literally want him to fail. There are some people like this. But they are easy to spot. Probably someone like Ickmule would fit then bill. But these people are few in numbers. The majority of fans don't want the worst possible outcome. But you still have to be realistic about the possibilities and the percentages.

I'll make my prediction after the first few preseason games. Need to see how much fight this team has in it. But at this point 5 wins is highly optimistic.

We have had 2 long term starters at QB in nearly 30 years. People have a right to be skeptical after one of the worst rookie seasons ever. Kyle Allen Teddy Bridgewater Sam Darnold. Tell me right now you feel like he's shown anything that with certainty makes you feel like he's head and shoulders better than any of them. It's like if someone had said this about Jimmy Clausen after the 2010 season. Make no mistake that's the only comparison he's in line with at the moment. I don't like it either but that's the situation. You guys have to stop playing the I'm a better fan card.

Simms is so wishy washy at times it's difficult to listen or take him seriously. But unfortunately he is correct on most of what he's saying about Bryce. Also putting him below Darnold is brutal. At the same time. I just can't argue with it. Darnold at least has the phsyical ability to put the ball wherever he wants it. You don't draft a QB #1 overall if he doesn't have the kind of arm talent that wows you on the tape.

Right we agree. But do you also agree that the defense you are facing has to fear your QB's passing ability or it's over before it starts?

I'm all for criticism. But honestly? Fug Chris Simms.

Our run game was not as bad last year as some insinuate. That's why this newfound emphasis on the run game is being met with an eye roll from some fans. Your run game is supposed to setup the pass. But when the defense and particularly the secondary knows your QB isn't willing to or just isn't capable of pressing the issue in certain situations with his arm your run game means nothing. It's all on the tape from 2023. That's the work our new head coach has in store for him. I hope he's got some magic.

Does it really require deep thinking? If he's the first overall pick in a draft without CJ Stroud there would be somewhat less of a microscope over him. But that's not the case. In fact it was CJ Stroud himself who had the microscope over him before the draft and he literally did nothing wrong and everything that was asked of him as a prospect. Now the roles have flipped and some people can't handle it. It's a bummer but that's life right?

It's hard out here for a Panthers fan that's for sure.

Really one of the biggest talking points about Bryce Young pre-draft that was supposed to translate and separate him from the rest of the draft class was ability to improvise within the pocket and buy himself time to make plays and make use of his processing ability. But then I guess the staff got him in Carolina and got a good look at the footwork and all that went out the window.

Finally making changes to the scouting department? Why only the assistant though? And the Commanders? Ehhh.

Super elite processing ability? Mini Peyton Manning?

Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. Panthers fandom.

That horse has been beaten into oblivion but man it is going to make for a hell of a story years from now how anyone passed on his arm talent (Stroud) if he goes on to have a stellar career. As usual we end up on the receiving end of an embarrassing decision.

Jones is not a good QB but he did have a significantly better deep ball than our first overall pick at Alabama.

I believe you are correct. Everyone remembers that record setting drubbing of the Broncos but that was the highlight of their season. They have very good coaching overall and they have a ton of talent. With a better QB they could have knocked off the Chiefs IMO. We aren't even in the conversation of the Dolphins until proven otherwise. We couldn't even get in the end zone against the lowly Chicago Bears. We got shutout and blown out by the CJ Beathard led Jaguars for fugs sake. We can't even compete with bad teams let alone run up the score on them. To me if I'm being completely realistic if I'm the GM and my job is on the line and I feel like Tua is Bryce Young's ceiling I'm drafting QB in the first round next year unless he just magically has a season like Stroud did last year. That's it. I'm genuinely not trying to be abrasive about this it just gets really mind numbing eventually that we keep lowering the bar down down down down down and it's like hey it's fine to have expectations. And if you have a young QB in his prime and he isn't giving you at least prime Jake Delhomme arm talent it's time to keep looking for a QB.

Against the Chiefs Tua threw the ball 39 times and finished with 5.1 yards per attempt. With all the weapons on that offense. And people really pile in here trying to act like it's favorable to compare our top pick to him.

What is this Tua hype and revisionist history about? They are loaded with talent and he was mostly awful in their last playoff game and is changing his throwing motion to try to appease the Dolphins. Can we stop acting like this is a good comparison to our #1 pick?

Why do you and the other Australian guy feel the need to moderate every thread about our starting QB?

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/at-pre-pro-day-dinner-scott-fitterer-became-convinced-bryce-young-was-the-right-choice-for-the-panthers

Yes this is true but trading what we did to get Bryce Young is not a "pet project". That's a possible future ESPN 30 for 30. They need this pick to work. That's what Canales was hired for. We'll see.

I understand the point you're trying to make but Brady didn't win all those Superbowls without a good arm. You see how Bill B has done without him. I think we're getting tangled up in the significance of labels on this discussion. Good. Elite. Average. Above/below average. What it boils down to is what the individual can do when the rubber meets the road. You either can throw an adequate deep ball when situation requires or you can't. Burrow is certainly an intelligent QB. The Championship game was a combo of that and obviously a very well crafted gameplan. But IQ or "processing" ability only get you so far as well. I mean Bryce Young was regarded by many as damn near a 22 year old Professor Charles Xavier on the football field leading up to the draft. Didn't make a damn bit of difference in 16 games. Your phsyical talent shows up on the film or it doesn't.

Could be. Can't put anything past Tepper and his need for validation. He and Morgan and desperate to salvage the pick. But if things get at all as bad as last season on offense their hand may be forced.

Draft profiles are often wrong the film tells you what you need to know. Most people who watched him play knew what he was capable of. And he had the prototypical size you seek. I wanted him to be a Carolina Panther. We won so many irrelevant games the last several years when it didn't matter and missed on the top pick because of it. Did nothing for our culture going forward either. Finally we got desperate. Welp... I'd like to see him humble the Chiefs again. Parity is good.