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Even that's excessive.

I'm not crazy about the Tremble contract but I will say I believe in him becoming more than I ever have with Ian Thomas. If he's going to turn a corner it will be with Canales. We'll see.

I mean I want a really successful sports franchise as much as the next fan but there are limits. See Britt Reid. Some stains don't wash off bud.

On brand for the Andy Reid led Chiefs.

This man speaks the truth.

Now we play the waiting game to see how long he stays healthy.

I agree completely.

I wouldn't be against it for depth on a lower end deal. But do we want to keep going backwards? We need some young promising talent on this DL to pair with Derrick Brown.

The core of my point beyond comparing coaches was my own personal opinion that just being average in this conference is overrated from my perspective. All I've known is losing in the Charlotte area growing up here. That's this sports town. I just laugh at it. If we aren't legitimately competing for a championship and bragging rights over the rest of this division then honestly I don't much give a poo. Mediocre to average doesn't move the needle for me anymore. Already lived it. Now as far as where we are now comparing coaches. Since you brought him up I'm going to have to do something I really really do not like and that is praise Sean Payton. We all despised him with a passion for years but his resume IMO is better than Pete Carroll's and unequivocally deserves to be regarded as one of the best of the era. I don't like it one bit. But that's the truth. Canales future is directly dependent on Morgan's ability to successfully build a roster via the draft. Any coach would be doomed if Dan continues down Fitterer’s path. This is going to be one of our most consequential offseasons in years.

Let's be forthright here. I never said Carroll is a bad coach. Never said he isn't a good coach. I'm guessing you took issue with me saying he's not been all that strikingly different from Ron Rivera the last several years. Well that's not a lie. That's where the disconnect begins. One of the best of the era? Based on what? Winning one of the most comically and pathetically lopsided Super Bowls in decades? No sir Doug Pederson has as many Super Bowl trophies as Pete Carroll. I suppose we should make room for him up there on your coaching Mt Rushmore. As far as Canales. Let me be direct. I like him based on what I've seen and I have high hopes for him but he's gotta hit the ground running this season and the standards I've discussed here very obviously apply to both him and Bryce Young and I think you should know as well as anyone here I'm not going to give either of them a pass for shitty football. There's no excuse not to be competitive in this conference and particularly in this division.

Mike Macdonald walked right in and won as many games as Pete Carroll has in the last ten years. The NFC has weakened drastically over that same decade. That's just the reality. Being "average" in this rendition of the NFC is not a badge of honor. It's the bare minimum. Even that slob Matt Rhule briefly looked halfway competent early on. Again. It sounds like you definitely are high on Pete Carroll via whatever affiliation you have I do not know I honestly don't care. But that doesn't require me to share your viewpoint. It's fine to disagree without whatever all this is. Especially over Pete Carroll of all people.

If you're a Pete Carroll fan that's cool. Makes no difference to me though. As a Panthers fan I've had a front row seat to the ultimate highs and the ultimate lows. Losing doesn't bother me one iota anymore. I'd much rather actually have a chance to compete for a Super Bowl than just middling along in a weak conference and maybe hoping to win a playoff game here and there. If all some fans want to witness are mid to average regular seasons and then folding like a lawn chair after one playoff win like Kirk Cousins did with the Vikings all those years then hey more power to you. Agree to disagree.

Pete really hasn't done anything of note since that final offensive play in the Seahawks second Super Bowl appearance. It's been downhill ever since. In the years since that he's done marginally better than the hapless and embarrassingly incompetent David Tepper led Panthers though. Credit where it's due for that. But that's about it. Not honestly much different than Ron Rivera. He also created a culture of inconsistent accountability in Seattle with preferential bias toward Russell Wilson that ultimately led to the unraveling of one of the leagues best teams. If I'm being honest him starting off his stint with the Raiders of all teams by bringing in Geno Smith who will be 35 this fall isn't a good way to start things off. The AFC playoff picture is.......crowded. That locker room isn't going to have a great deal of patience for Pete's "guys" if they start hitting bumps in the road which is likely given the competitiveness in the conference.

Short term they will probably push for playoffs. But if Pete couldn't get far in the weakened NFC the last several years with "his guys" idk wtf he's planning on doing in the AFC. Good luck with that.

I assume you meant to type "David" Mayo in the title. This makes me feel old.

Maybe you should go back and read your own posts when you're sober from time to time before bashing others.

The only logical thing to do. I'd still like to see us draft a center by next year. It's going to have to happen. It already should have. But that's for another discussion.

Give them a top 10 pick for a WR who will be 28 by the end of the year and will be one of the highest paid at his position? That's how you remain firmly in the cellar as we have been....

I think Legette will make strides this year. I don't doubt he has the work ethic and determination. But I do agree with you our FO is at times bafflingly overconfident which has carried over from Scott Fitterer. The Jonathan Brooks pick is a prime example.

I don't think anyone in here is arguing against improving our secondary. But the fact of the matter is we were 32 out of 32 in run defense while we were 25th in pass defense. Let's get some defensive line reinforcements and go from there.

I'm with you on building from the inside out and if we are making reasonable attempts to do that without overpaying then that's all I can ask for the time being until we see results. But it always makes me laugh to log on here and see some people mocking others for being apprehensive as if this org hasn't had the worst win % in professional sports. Until proven otherwise the onus is on Morgan and the rest of the front office to show they actually know how to build a winning roster.

Yeah they're smoking that good poo.

15-20 million a year for a safety with our needs across the entire defense? Well that's an interesting path.

Hopium is a hell of a drug in March