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The double white combo had grown stale but it isn't bad with the new updated materials and colors. The white/black can be off putting but it isn't the worst thing I've seen. Generally my favorite combo is black/silver. Just brings back the best Panthers memories for me. At this point though I do not give a damn what combo they wear as long as they stop embarrassing me and making me want to go do anything else but watch them play football.

I can agree. Though where he is in regards to the pecking order of the draft class is mostly irrelevant. Look no further than the rhetoric around last years QB class. As far as Payton. I'm with you I can't stand the guy. And I do think the dynamic between he and Brees is similar to that of Brady and Belichick. But I'm not going to hold the failure of Russell Wilson against him. Look I have to be honest I think Wilson was really overrated even in his best years. He had good physical ability despite his size but he threw up a lot of prayer balls that receivers plucked out of the air for him. He also had a really great defense and overall coaching staff in the upper echelon of the league consistently. And don't even get me started on the Super Bowl he won. I still contend that Broncos team was probably the worst team in a Super Bowl in the last 50 years minimum. That final play against the Patriots in his next and final Super Bowl is the real Russell Wilson. Personally I hope Sean Payton continues to fall flat on his face because fug the Denver Broncos and him 6 days a week and twice on Sunday. But I wouldn't be surprised if he has them contending again.

Almost all of the Levis talk revolved around off the field nonsense and his inconsistent accuracy. But he always had the ability to put the ball wherever he wanted it. I saw that firsthand against our Panthers when he rifled passes into tight windows with ease that I've honestly still yet to see Bryce make. If you go back to before the draft just about every QB not named Bryce Young was considered to have one or several faults that would hinder their immediate development and take time for them to put it together. Even Stroud was regarded by some as probably taking a few seasons to develop. When in reality it ended up being Young who was the biggest project of the QB class. The next time we happen to be be looking at a QB in the draft people really need to pay attention to physical intangibles and not fall for any of the media hype or criticism over intelligence. This has long been a go to tactic to diminish or uplift one prospect over another. I really thought Panthers fans would have learned this after Cam in 2010. But noooooope.

No one should be comparing any rookie QB that has yet to take a snap to hall of famers. Sound familiar? Though I must admit if it was okay to do so for BY to draw a line in the sand against Nix seems hypocritical. I have no idea how good Bo will be in the NFL but in fairness to him he didn’t get to launch his college career at Alabama and play for the modern GOAT. He had to take his lumps to get where he is. One could argue that path better serves him in adjusting to the NFL rather than having been given everything right away.

Nice to see him being visible and doing good in the community off the field. He's easy to root for in this area we need that. Now if he can just give the region something to be proud of on the field too.

Sir I'll have you know we drafted a QB first overall whose father is a renowned psychologist and passed onto him years worth of leadership ability that will serve him greatly in his career.

It's too bad we don't have a team leader that could use this as motivational bulletin board material.

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Only valid answer here. Even if things look fantastic in camp I'm not buying it until I see it in preseason. Been bamboozled too many times. And for the folks who may insist preseason is pointless and doesn't mean anything because no one wants to give anything away. We can dig up the threads of folks downplaying our putrid offense last August.

It's important to differentiate the desire for people to simply want to see the supposed franchise QB putting in not just minimum work but extra and honestly even extra on top of that considering he is a physical outlier amongst his peers in contrast to people saying he's doing nothing whatsoever. Nobody here should be rejoicing because our #1 pick is doing the bare minimum expected of him. Sam Darnold did the bare minimum. With Stroud we can get into the weeds on his coaching staff and the talent level around him. Although I would firstly point out almost no one here had them pegged as a team that would have a winning record let alone make the playoffs and win a game convincingly. But with Stroud the proof was in the pudding. We can talk about their OC and the work he did which was obviously tremendous but at the end of the day CJ Stroud made the receivers around him better. We needed to see that from Bryce and we still do regardless of circumstances because that's what a first overall pick is supposed to do. Last season when Bryce Young missed Mingo on that pretty much wide open deep pass behind the defense after eviscerating him throughout the season what was the excuse? Lack of continuity? They didn't practice enough together? Did anyone bring up that throwing session Bryce had back in May as a retort? Coaching aside that shouldn't be a thing. I certainly hope it isn't a thing this season because assuredly there should be zero excuse for it. Let's hope to see much different results this time.

There's no reason for anyone to be super negative about it like it's the end of the world. It certainly isn't and he could and should be fully ready to go for camp. At the same time it would be foolish to completely dismiss our history with these injuries possibly lingering into the season. They should take proper precautions is all. We'll see how it shakes out by the start of camp.

Comparing the average working person to a 22 year old sitting on a guaranteed 38 million dollar contract isn't going to win many people over my guy. Just a heads up.

At this point err on the side of caution until camp begins lol

He was what. 46th in passer rating for the 2023 season? Do I want him to be a good QB? Yes. Is he based on last seasons tape? Absolutely not. What is it with this fanbase and being averse to recognizing reality? Seriously.

If the current QB isn't the answer you keep drafting one until you hit doesn't matter if it's one season two seasons three seasons or 5 seasons. Some people just can't remove emotion from the equation. It's about the team. The franchise. That's why when you find that guy you basically give him the key to the city and any amount of money he wants when the time comes. If that happened to be Bryce Young no one save for a few random trolls would be complaining. Because winning solves everything. But reality and percentages are a thing. He faces a steep climb to become a good QB let alone elite for many years. People who cannot grapple with this are unable to remove that emotion mentioned above. It's that simple.

It would be nice to see #9 prove people like this laughably wrong. That's why many Panthers fans myself included were wanting to see how much time he'd dedicated to his craft following the conclusion of the season but then he showed up and let everyone know he pretty much crawled under a rock. Somehow the Panthers social team thought this was rather amusing after what we'd sacrificed for the rights to draft him. Baffling lack of awareness all around. It's interesting that we go from Levis being least desirable of the class and a complete and total meathead that would alienate himself from his teammates to being talked up as possibly emerging as one of the better young QB's entering the 2024 season. Man what a whirlwind the last 12 months have been for the people who fully bought the hype machine in the lead up to the 2023 NFL draft and did victory laps like they had their very own sports almanac from BTTF. Life comes at you fast folks.

The "I'm a better fan" card is getting really old and only serves to pour fuel on these discussions and people who choose to engage in this should reconsider their position or consider whether it is everyone else that is the problem or themselves. Anywho. The same vehement defenses of Bryce Young were also made on behalf of Kyle Allen Teddy Bridgewater and Sam Darnold. Nobody here knows what's going to happen. Nobody here is better than anyone else either. Why? Because no matter what our individual day to day thoughts on the team may be. We are still here.

Here's my thing. Someone like Sam Howell was sacked just as many times as Bryce Young was and he was saddled with a not good coaching situation on top of that yet he looked significantly more capable of a passer in general than Bryce Young did at any point in the season. And he was jettisoned to another team after one single audition season. This league does not wait for hopes and dreams. It doesn't matter where you were drafted. If Bryce Young is the undisputed starter in 2025 it will be because he had a sophomore season very similar to CJ Stroud's rookie season. Just being a Teddy Bridgewater lite is not going to prevent another QB from being taken early in next years draft. Just because some fans have taken to lowering the bar down below the surface of the earth's crust does not mean Morgan and Canales have the benefit of that approach. Unless Bryce wows us all he will assuredly have real legit competition for 2025.

There is such a wide disconnect in these discussions on Young because some fans cannot differentiate what ultimately amounts to blind faith based solely on fandom loyalty from real world data and results which say Young finished with one of the worst rookie QB seasons since the Carolina Panthers were introduced to the league. In this era and generation of the sport your arm talent either stands out or it doesn't. That's what we need to see. None of the other moving parts matter without that.

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All this talk of the supporting cast and coaching being the culprits of our struggles is just sounding like the rationalizations of Sam Darnold's time with the Jets. I'm ready to see the results and know what we have. Enough talk. Thank goodness June is finally upon us.

As much as I want to talk trash about the Bears. The trade and not selecting Stroud aside. It took an extremely rare Panthers punt return touchdown (thanks ISM) for us to even get in the end zone against them while they started Tyson Bagent and moved the ball better than us. To know how poorly that franchise has been ran over the last 20 years and be considered an inferior team in almost every way in comparison (until proven otherwise this upcoming season) is.....rough. Thanks Mr. Tepper.

The hall monitor has spoken. Shut it down everybody.

Not rocket science eh? It's a desperate comparison no different than the pre draft comparisons to athletes in other sports like Steph Curry. I remember arguing with you quite a bit about Teddy Bridgewater back in 2020 and he was substantially better as a Panther than anything Bryce did as a rookie but I don't remember you advocating to compare him to hall of famers.