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There have been fluff pieces every year the last 5 years and we've only gotten increasingly worse. Folks who enjoy this stuff should be and are welcome to consume it and have the right to voice their approval. Others that have begun to tire of the same song and dance and want to see the results in games also have the right to express that. Until we see any meaningful and impactful quantifiable results in actual games this is how it is going to go for the next few months. We are at this point due to ownership. People are just going to have to grit their teeth and wade through it for the time being.

Oh pantherclaw....... Sir. You yourself began this interaction with the following remark. Now you have dedicated the bulk of a long winded post to as you put it "telling you how you think" and calling me stupid for doing so. Being above average is the absolute floor for what I expect to see from him this season just an FYI. Indeed we do want the same things. I'm not better than you and vice versa. We are Panther fans. That's it. How about we just agree to disagree and call it a day? Good talk.

There is absolutely no love lost for me regarding the Seattle Seahawks. But if Pete Carrol is saying things like this about Canales I will certainly listen and put some stock in it. I'd love to see Dave have a coaching run here like Pete has had. No matter how I may feel about their franchise more often than not he generally always had them competing hard regardless of circumstances.

Since when is force feeding AT in the league's worst offense an accomplishment? You do know he was ranked 101 in Avg yards per catch right? Jonathan Mingo was 103. What's the common denominator here?

For me it's not dead last although it isn't far off realistically. I like a lot of the moves that have been made and I think so long as Morgan can draft well and Canales is holding down his end of the bargain in coaching on gamedays and keeping us ahead of the curve compared to the dinosaur head coaches of yesteryear we should be able to at least compete. What pulls down the optimism is the fact that we gave #9 absolutely zero push in the QB room. I really would have liked to see us take a flier on a QB with one of our late round picks. It remains to be seen if coddling Bryce will pay off but we do not seem to be learning any lessons in that area after the last several years that has been a revolving door at QB. Still. Despite what others might mistakenly insinuate I do have some hope. It will be even higher if we look good in preseason. Until then for me the rollercoaster that is life as a Carolina Panthers fan rolls on.

I expect to see significant improvement in his footwork his accuracy his deep ball and his performance in all 4 quarters of games. I also expect to see him out there trying to lead the team and bringing energy in moments where we might be trailing or not doing well. That trait is a very specific leading reason of why we drafted him. In my POV the difference between us is my definition of expectation in this instance in relation to BY is based on real world data and where he ranked last season compared to his peers whereas your definition of expectation seems to be drifting into the fantasy end of the spectrum. The issue here is that you have a distinct perception that discussion that does not revolve around Bryce Young basically being fitted for a gold jacket after it's all said and done means others must not be loyal Panthers fans. That's something you're going to have to figure out for yourself my friend.

Travelle Wharton does indeed deserve more recognition. He was rock solid.

He hasn't been perfect. Some people have been hard on him in recent times due to all the turmoil along the OL. But he's firmly within the top 5 no doubt. And he's done that playing beside some turnstiles for awhile now. As much as we all love Gross and Kalil they had the benefit of playing beside capable linemen for the most part in their best years.

Do tell. How bad do I think he is since you are apparently a telepath? I can tell you what the numbers say. He was 46th in passer rating for the season last year. What do I want to see? Top 15 minimum in most important QB metrics. That is and should be the expectation for him or any other first overall pick. Do you agree?

My main takeaway. Thank you Derrick Brown. Even in OTA's the man is on a mission.

This is what the football discussion looks like about a team that regardless of the "new" season has had the worst win percentage in professional sports. The heavily produced footage we are being fed does not change the circumstances. If you've read my posts you'll know I've tried to be fair on the whole regarding the situation surrounding Bryce going back to the evening we drafted him. When the games started so did the clock and there were many things that occurred which did not and still do not bode well for the likely outcome of him becoming a great to elite QB. And unlike some people who tell others to stfu I have yet to declare Bryce Young a confirmed bust and I certainly don't need to go around creating threads saying such and then running and hiding over it like AceBoogie. I want Bryce to be the guy. Most people here do. But that doesn't require one to be a drone only showering praise upon him. Furthermore this is what we are going to be dealing with for the next several months from other teams fans and the media so you should get used to it now. If someone wants honest discussion and not an echo chamber this is the place to be. If someone wants to be a drone they should seek out the die hard Panthers sycophants on X.

Take your own advice https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/227686-i-hope-you-know-what-this-means…/

The feels about Morgan his history our history and the words and energy from Canales had me riding high. Then at the 14 minute mark they finally get to Bryce Young and he's looking as small as last year despite the recent hopium about him "hitting the gym" via flattering camera angles and it immediately negated everything. I think ultimately Morgan and Canales could be the right combo. But they need to be given the freedom to quickly change gears and move in another direction at QB if by midseason we do not see glimpses of elite QB play from #9.

I don't know what's up with the title must have been looking for clicks. Early in the video some of what he's saying is in line with what we've seen. But he veers off into sheer fantasy territory when he starts talking about Bryce Young's downfield deep balls at Alabama. He had the worst deep ball by far between him Mac Jones Hurts and Tua. People want to talk Bryce Young but say these things and can't figure out why they are dismissed. People need to learn to discern what they hope for versus what's actually happened. Bryce Young has simply never been a consistently good deep passer at either level to this point. Even at his hyped pro day his deep ball was described as underwhelming at best. For a first overall pick!? It's always been there for anyone to see. Unless that changes he will not be a franchise QB in this league for any team regardless of the circumstances. That's what Canales has to get out of him.

Results on the field say he isn't wrong.

The newer fans and younger fans that cape for the worst win % in professional sports must not have been around for the better years in Panthers history. We've always been largely mediocre but the high points were another universe compared to this. The justification for lowering standards within this fanbase is the definition of the "just happy to be here" mentality that was often prevalent within the culture of this franchise before Cam came along and got attacked repeatedly for being a sore loser. Fug man give me all your sore losers those are the guys I want on my Panthers!

https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver Meanwhile. The talented wide receiver who just came off a career year with a QB who was jettisoned to a different team and whom we traded for our young franchise QB is 17th in annual WR salary. Probably one of the only things the last regime got right was signing him to that deal when they did.

Oh man does this sound familiar. Gives new meaning to the term unhinged.

When it boils down to it none of us really know how highly the Texans valued Stroud. I understand why you think this was how it went down because it's what was leaked through the media but I would caution making assumptions about the Texans intentions and assuming they operate similarly to the Panthers ie absolutely zero gamesmanship and tunnel vision for certain prospects over others. There's a reason the Texans have been drafting fairly well as of recently and the Panthers have been..well.. the exact opposite. Whether it was all Fitterer or Tepper was meddling it doesn't matter we were painfully easy to read.

I like the things he's saying the new car smell vibe and the fact that he's a young coach that hopefully will be easy to adapt to different things. But none of that matters if he isn't getting it done scheming against making adjustments against and generally coaching well against other teams and their staff on gamedays. That is all that matters. That's the type of stuff I need to see by midseason.

Who is going to pay him to play QB knowing his arm is done? Most teams would tolerate just about any of his eccentricities if he still had the cannon. At the end of the day you can debate his value within the draft but you can't debate his value to us and the fact we've been flailing hopelessly for the last 5 years minimum. The cruel irony of it all is we had the first pick and a QB in our sights that had comparable arm strength ability to a young Cam and we passed on that to draft the next Doug Flutie because he was more marketable in their eyes. Personality wise BY is the anti-Cam and Stroud was more open to expressing himself and outwardly confident in his abilities like Cam was. At the end of the day if you want to be a serious championship contender and not a team that makes the playoffs but folds like a lawn chair you need a strong take charge kind of personality behind center.

Of course he was the look on his face after the first pick was announced said everything. Someone within the building overruled the pick and the rest is history. I don't blame him one bit for using any of it as extra motivation. That's what a player worthy of the #1 pick is supposed to do. Keep talking poo about the Panthers the powers that be deserve to have their noses rubbed in it.

Alright you talked me into it. String his ass up!

I don't blame anyone for wanting him to foot the bill. I agree honestly. Although at least he isn't being a total twat like other owners could be and demanding a new stadium entirely. But he doesn't have much leverage on that anyways considering the product on the field has been a steaming pile of poo and he's in large part to blame. This is at least a decent compromise overall.