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So is this the Teddy appreciation thread? I'm sure Denver has plenty of room left on the bandwagon if some of you want to take the plunge.

There are really folks out there who believe a newly hired 60 million dollar head coach and the owner who hired him that keeps a huge set of brass testicles on his desk just let a former radio host and currently twice terminated general manager take the reigns without a say. This is entertaining.

Two yards and a cloud of dust was rubber stamped by the current decision makers here but pile on while we hope the Jets leftovers will bring us a division crown

All you have to do is read up on what was said last summer by both Rhule who brought in Joe Brady specifically for his familiarity with the Saints offense and what Joe Brady himself said about Teddy to see through this mirage that Marty Hurney simply went rogue. I mean it's laughable. https://247sports.com/Article/Carolina-Panthers-2020-NFL-season-Matt-Rhule-Joe-Brady-LSU-Teddy-Bridgewater-148955264/ https://www.panthers.com/news/teddy-bridgewater-joe-brady-carolina-offseason-program https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/news/joe-bradys-immense-confidence-relationship-with-teddy-bridgewater

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/panthers-matt-rhule-excited-to-move-forward-with-teddy-bridgewater-hes-exactly-what-we-want/ "According to Rhule, Bridgewater is not a placeholder or a bridge for someone like Will Grier or another future draft pick -- he's exactly what they were looking for."

This is just silly. Matt Rhule has maybe a handful of consistent critics here at any given moment usually. It's not even in the same ballpark as the nuclear fallout the mention of Rivera's name brought here on a regular basis. Most by an overwhelming margin want to see what he can do this season. If it is more of the same there will be questions like any other sport or any other coach. I do not expect that to be the case though. He hasn't looked haggard in front of the media lately because he is taking any of this lightly.

They're champions. The Bucs are champs. Even the Falcons almost won it all before us. If there is an odd obsession anyone has in this fanbase of a team without back to back winning seasons it's getting back to the big game and bringing a title to the Carolinas. If inconvenient truths hit you in the feels it's because you hate to admit it. The Saints and Bucs are the teams to beat if we want to return to league relevancy and contention. Is sitting around singing our own praises and ignoring faults going to get us anywhere in the short or long term? If you find solace in the best current teams in our division being awful half a century ago I guess slow clap for you. Some of us want more.

How did the Panthers look with Teddy chumming it up with his old pals on the sideline while we were getting trounced late in the game? You can drink all the koolaid you want but this mgmt has a lot to prove in '21 and it begins with a revenge tour.

You thought we traded for Teddy and now you want to pull fan cards? You're a trip.

You think me acknowledging that makes me happy? I'm not carrying water for anyone until they show us they will show up and punch that zoolander fool in the mouth. You just can't handle anything but unanimous praise. Sorry that isn't how life works.

@beo truth hurts huh?

Sean Payton made a fool out of the lot of them and the franchise no matter who you want to take the fall individually

Whatever they decide to go with I'll hope for the best but they need to figure out the lineup and stick with it this isn't college. It's going to take several games to see what potential we have in this group.

Rhule and Brady both had the biggest hand in Teddy landing here. If you have seen this franchise operate enough over the years the biggest indicator that it was Rhule in the drivers seat is the messy handling of the public feud with Newton followed right up with throwing Teddy under several buses. Sure he brought it on himself but we tanked his value in public. Marty Hurney was well known over the years to be loyal and accommodating to his players to a fault. Marty wasn't in charge he was riding in the backseat and halfway out the door.

Yes I was referring to the attempt to move into the first for Little. Some here will try to convince you that Tepper left Hurney in charge of all the decision making after firing Ron and paying a new head coach 60 million but I don't see it. I think they gave him a chance to see how his input would mesh with Rhule but ultimately it was Matt pulling the lever. When Bridgewater was shown to be a disaster of an acquisition they had the perfect scapegoat and off Hurney went.

Now the argument is Tepper/Rhule/Brady brought in Bridgewater for 1 season for 30+ million dollars knowing he wasn't good enough? And that's supposed to make the decision makers look better?

It's hilarious that people actually believe Hurney was in charge of anything more than signing contracts and basic input in the draft in his final season. Do people really look at the 2020 draft and see Marty Hurney's fingerprints all over it? The fact we hit a homerun on a second round pick says it all. The man drafted Greg Little the year before and almost traded up to do so.

Offering a top 10 pick for Stafford while we had multiple other glaring needs was an all in move if there ever was one. Luckily he saved us from ourselves and wasn't interested in coming here. I don't know why you're so keen on changing history here but whatever floats your boat. Carolina did everything but put up a billboard. They may have released it all through anonymous sources but they were strongly interested in Watson. Sam Darnold was always the fallback plan. And that's fine. We don't need to rewrite how it all went down to justify anything. If Sam works out great if not the new front office will go hard after someone else. They have shown a clear willingness to do so despite the smug revisionist history being applied here tonight.

So it was all a dream that we were willing to give up the farm for Stafford and Watson first?

To start the offseason Darnold was option C at best. That's fact not a wild theory.

Right but I don't think they release that without considering all the angles is what I'm getting at. The Panthers media team is on a different level now. Even still the board with an already acquired Darnold would likely look different than without. Carolina showed what they were willing to part with for a veteran starter so who can say what they would have done if Darnold were not available and what the board would have looked like

Remind me was that from draft night or released later after the fact? This new Panthers team is very deliberate about what they release so I'm skeptical they would show their hand even after the fact without knowing what they were doing.

Are you referring to the Joe Person sources say leak about Jones and Lance? I have not seen the Panthers big board have you? So I can't say definitively what they would have done. But based on confirmed desperation before the draft I can make an educated guess that qb or a trade up would have been under consideration.

Carolina nearly dealt the 8th pick for a 33 year old quarterback with no playoff wins and a 2-16 record against winning teams since 2018. If they actually had pick three all options would have been on the table.

You are arguing with someone who would have taken a defensive tackle over a roty franchise quarterback ten years ago.