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I think we have to go QB. Even a round one rookie olineman is going to have minimal impact at this point. We will likely look to shed deadweight and bring in a couple vets for the line. As for which quarterback I'll just let the chips fall where they may and just say if the huddle hates a prospect you can usually expect the opposite.

Yeah Plumlee needs to go rot on the bench. I know we love some of these guys but at this point I would be willing to move someone for a real center I'm just tired of this enough is enough lol.

I don't know what the future holds for Newton. But this for Cam and crickets for Darnold tells me all I needed to know about any need for further games to "evaluate" Sam.

Jets fans said the same thing about just giving Sam a few more games to show something. We see how that worked out. You know what they say about the definition of insanity.

Rearranging deckchairs on the titanic.

What hurts is it didn't actually start out this way. When Rhule came in yes we needed a roster overhaul but we had cap space and draft capital. Now we are worse off than when we hit reset. We talk a lot about QB and for good reason but the honest truth is that CMC contract started us off on this collision course. We should have gotten whatever we could for him and went after our QB and got to work on the oline. See Justin Herbert and Slater. But nope. Panthers gonna Panther.

Pick six incoming.

Is there any part in there about making a trade for one of the worst starting quarterbacks in the league and bidding against yourself in the process?

You mean Matt Rhule. Even the huddle knew.

There are three and a half seasons of film of Darnold being one of if not the worst starting quarterback in the league for every gm in the league to see. Three more starts will make absolutely no difference. He is a bust. We got conned.

Yeah the first year second year third year sales pitch sounded alright until you got to the part where he skips town in the middle of the night.

If someone out there can watch this mess week in and week out and still ask for a third helping next season more power to you I guess. But it requires one to ignore what their own eyes have seen. And that's Matt Rhule at the controls navigating this roster. The gameday struggles are the cherry on top and have not improved at all. You can rabble rouse about Ron Rivera but we got outcoached by him

The receiver we drafted in the second round is also continually either a healthy scratch or just overall ignored.

Idk when you see the team continue to look exactly like they did at the play in game last season at different points this season it makes you doubt the coaching. At some point we can't keep excusing this and have to look to the root.

These takes about mobile QB's are all from the same playbook. They'll drag him for his completion percentage even though he's been a rookie learning on the fly but this same board made excuse after excuse for third year QB Darnold who has one of the league worst QBR and passer rating amongst starting quarterbacks. To have a young rookie with promise waiting would be a major boost for this franchise heading into next season but people who ridicule others for talking about it are just projecting. They know. They just can't admit it.

There are better ways to get some attention. But we're all Panthers fans. For me the thing is I have the added perspective of the history of our previous coaches to look back on. Looking at the top to bottom failures in roster building and gameday coaching inadequacies the odds of a miraculous turnaround are slim to none. The only path forward from here looks to be what we should have done all along. Bring in a head honcho who has actually coached in the NFL who will bring experienced NFL staff with him and not college yes men. It was always a gamble to give a Baylor/Temple HC with one season of low level NFL coaching experience one of the richest head coaching contracts in the league. Nothing personal against the man if it doesn't work it doesn't work life goes on.

That's a scary injury. You never want to see that for any player. Glad he's ok.

That 19-20 record stood out then and screams now. Also the "can he play LT?" comment when we still don't have a left tackle two years later hits hard.

Oh absolutely. Rhule and Fitt blew it. They got cute trying to find hidden gems on the oline and they got exactly what most other teams with NFL experience already knew. But as far as a public optics standpoint though Rhule has gone pretty easy on Sam. Yes he has been critical but not like this and it's been long known he did not want Cam when he first took the job. If Cam doesn't have a future here that's fine I had accepted that a long time ago but to bring him back into this mess just to throw him under several buses each week only further adds to the perception that we are led by a bunch of amateurs in over their heads.

I'm sure he legitimately did want a break from football altogether but I also think he got a sense of something from this regime that helped expedite his desire to move on.

We coddled that man like a newborn all through training camp and preseason. The Panthers social media team even publicly acknowledged the fact fans were calling for him to play with an announcement. He's gotten better treatment than Teddy and Cam by this staff I don't even think it's disputable.

I said all along when that happened it didn't feel right. Now we know. He made the right call.