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That's the expectation but we've heard conflicting whispers about just how warm or cold his seat may be. It really all depends on what note we conclude the season on imo.

Yep. This is where I'm at. After the utter failure of the Darnold trade and the not so good looking results with Baker so far this is the only path forward. We have to develop a young QB. The only problem now is do we have any confidence of that being successful with this lot? I say that because I am not sold on the likelihood that Tepper pulls the plug on the Rhule era next year he fuging hates the fans ie anyone who doesn't suck his dick.

Well for those who do not exist within an echo chamber where everyone is just a hater with an agenda plenty of folks in the sports media world have covered these issues. Yes I would say virtually everyone here even the most so called "negative" fans are and will be pro Panthers so long as the team resides in the Carolinas. If they show up they still obviously give a damn. But yeah as far as Chubba and CMC go this forcefeeding and stubbornness with not utilizing a full backfield has been an issue now with both Rivera and Rhule and it is at the stage now where it is simply maddening. D'onta Foreman has 4 carries after 3 games and despite Chubba Hubbard looking just as boom or bust at best as he did last year. Yes we should be talking about this because the Panthers have had mostly poo for a run game over a full season since Newton stopped carrying the burden.

Matt Rhule should spend some of that 63 million paying these official spokesmen he has on the huddle.

Why don't you just spare the back and forth and just flat out tell someone they are wrong or incorrect. It would bypass this because we both know you are pro Rhule. I hope he turns it around I do not want him to fail bc it would mean at least another year or two of crap at worst and maybe hope for a playoff one and done at best unless we hit on a star QB in the draft. But there are still things that have gone on and continue to go on that are an issue and this is one of them.

His Temple boys. Anyone who was ahead of Brady Christensen last year whom we just couldn't get into the starting lineup in a lost season with nothing to play for because of his arm length or something. Chubba Hubbard who despite having literal bricks for hands still gets more opportunities over D'onta Foreman whom we apparently signed for no reason.

Is it really debatable at this point that Rhule has and still does play favorites to a degree?

We knew this was inevitable...

Hahaha on that we can agree. But I hope Rhule somehow turns things around.

Doesn't mean it will happen. We were worse in 2019 and we were pretty damn ugly last year going 2-12 after starting 3-0. We haven't had a top 5 pick in over a decade now. I just have no confidence in the likelihood we would actually get that pick you should know as well as I do we will mess around and win one or two to work ourselves out of the top three.

Also side note about PFF and why we love them one day or week and hate them the next Elflein was one of our lowest graded players against the Saints just good to take most of this with a grain of salt.

I only saw the graphic highlighting the pass block win rate. Good to hear about Corbett. I would like to see where Christensen ranks too. Baker definitely needs to step it up Sam had it worse last year.

IMO I would not waste a moment even getting your hopes up for a top overall pick this team is not terrible enough for that and we will always win a couple games to take us out of the top five it's just what we do. Regardless of where we pick we will take a long look at the QB class in the draft next year.

Run blocking looks impressive but for pass blocking we don't have anyone in the top 10 for OT or OG Elflein is 7th for Centers. So still average at best in that department and though Baker needs to stop playing like crap we also need to do a better job of protecting him.

DJ Moore had been money for me in fantasy the two years prior but this year is dildos. I'm disappointed in some of his effort as has been discussed but I am putting this 70/30 or 80/20 on the scheme and playcalling McAdoo has to figure it out or hit the bricks.

Oh no don't get me wrong this offense has had coaching inadequacies for some time now. Even Teddy B called them out for their foolishness and he's since been vindicated. Idk if I would go that far what we were expecting from him was a very solid #2 with speed to take the top off on defenses. But he's got a lot of making up to do for those killer drops last season I'll be the first to say Sam is terrible and not a starter but to have a receiver drop that many passes is wild. I hope we see more of him I'm ready to have a real passing offense again. I'm not putting it all on Robbie though because he isn't the only who has been up and down at the end of the day it's on the staff to put this WR group in position to succeed. If we can do that with Shenault there's no reason we can't for the others.

His record says he's 27-37 as a head coach and a coordinator. Doesn't sound very QB friendly.

And as far as the effect of the blitz goes teams base this on past game tape more than anything. And the tape shows quarterbacks like Darnold and Mayfield getting beaten up a lot and being inconsistent getting the ball down the field. So they will continue to throw that at us knowing our OL is being rebuilt until Ben McAdoo and our boy genius head coach can develop better gameplans and scheme ways to counter these tactics.

An effective deep passing game is much more than just about arm strength though man. I mean the entire reasoning and how Panthers fans were able to cope with the Darnold trade in the first place was his arm talent and in that regard he has some of the best ability in the league. But in the end what did it do for him? We can dog on Teddy about his arm strength but the sad truth of it is our offense was the best it's been in a couple of years with him so what does that say for our coaching staff and Rhule?

For the sake of clarity I went and took a look at the numbers last year and Sam Darnold finished 28th in avg yards per pass attempt only Roethlisberger Zach Wilson and Trevor Lawrence were worse and Lawrence was stuck with a complete jackass of a head coach. Right now Baker is sitting at 19th in the same metric. So yeah Darnold was largely terrible at moving the ball downfield and Baker is marginally better with very mediocre playcalling.

Uh yeah he kinda did do you not remember our nonexistent deep passing game and the results more often than not when Sam threw deep? There can be more than one thing true at once. With Sam and now with Baker we are mostly inept at moving the ball downfield consistently and teams do not fear that otherwise they wouldn't be blitzing our QB more than almost every other quarterback in the league. As inefficient as those QB's have been it's clear our gameplans and playcalls are not helping matters or alleviating these issues much.

I take it you're satisfied with the return on the investment of that contract so far?

True but for 30 million dollars a decent block or two is the least he can do to make up for those fumbles.

Or they both stink. But only one of them went 5 years without even an offer for an OC gig so you decide.