frankw

So what this all boils down to is you think those who differ from your POV of endless excuses want the Panthers and their QB1 to be the biggest laughingstock in the league just so they can say I told you so?

I would argue you are simply making excuses and carrying water but if you think you're making an actual point then proceed.

Oh man I forgot about the talk of his arm "elasticity" hahaha. That was a key point to shout down any talk of perceived lack of arm strength compared to Stroud AR or Levis. Shows how truly desperate the talking heads were who were only worried about saying nice things about Alabama.

Wasn't he the one that returned a Bryce Young pick for a TD in camp? Too bad they don't get to play against Bryce for 17 games eh?

Didn't you initiate this by quoting CRA? Now you're apparently under some bizarre attack? Settle down. We can argue about specifically what he did or didn’t do in the offseason all we want but the simple fact of the matter is Bryce Young has not made any progress developmentally and we cannot place blame everywhere else but him any longer. The time for scapegoats is gone. He has to stand on his own two feet. He isn't in college anymore. I look at BY and simply do not see a #1 pick that is concerned with becoming one of the best QB's in the NFL let alone competing for and winning one or more championships. I see the same prospect I was concerned about before the draft. He had been given the best to work with in high school and college and afforded every excuse possible before entering the NFL while CJ Stroud was dragged through the mud as much as possible before the draft. What adversity has he ever had to face before this? It's time for some hard truths and tough love. Enough whispering sweet nothings in his ear from our staff and org. This is not a daycare. Step up and own your shortcomings and commit to striving to become a better player or get out as far as I'm concerned. No more coddling.

Matthews and Sanders. Damn that hype machine disintegrated quick! Our two OL signings are certainly holding up their end of the bargain.

Immediately after the season he dipped out on football entirely like it's just a job and then did the bare minimum working out with TMJ and then showed up to camp looking exactly the same. What a strong offseason. He is Sam Darnold without any of the phsyical traits. Time to face the music.

Coach speak or not. The coddling is insane. At what point does this org and staff stop shitting on their own fanbase and acknowledge reality?

This kid has 38 million guaranteed to continually be the worst starting QB in the entire NFL. We don't need these sob stories. He's laughing all the way to the bank no matter what.

I'm reminded of this fluff article the Panthers bot posted in early August talking up how much the players specifically the starters appreciated Dave Canales even though there was skepticism amongst the fans that the overall approach to camp and preseason seemed to be giving the appearance of what can only be described as "soft". Fast forward to week 1 being one of the worst ass whoopings in the history of the franchise and.....

Well he certainly earned it with how he had the starters being coddled in camp and sitting out preseason like we were coming off a Super Bowl appearance and not the worst record in the league.

For added perspective. The Bobcats hold the record for the worst single season win % in NBA history. Still not as bad as Tepper.

Actually if you look at the touches his usage is up and likely only going to increase given his contract. He just is willing to play through injuries there because he is where he wants to be whereas here he was over it and not wanting to risk himself just to lose. I don't necessarily blame him but we paid him a ton of money. Truth is truth.

I don't think even Tepper is that stubborn. The fanbase is already becoming nonexistent. Another season of this they may as well move the damn team.

No you're just being realistic. All last year the offense put the defense in bad positions and kept them on the field. All things considered they were at least decent most of the time. The defense could have done much better yesterday but this is an offensive league ffs. When you invest what we have into the offense to the detriment of the defense you expect a hell of a lot better than that. We have been trying to build around our first overall pick. He still stinks. And it's having a ripple effect to the rest of the team.

Snakebit. That's all I can say.

I'm out of pie but when I re-up I got you guys. Some great content here since last night. But I couldn't agree more. Let's not forget his dad was on X lobbying for the team to take his choice of WR. The level of entitlement is astounding. Clearly passed this on to Bryce who before last season looked like he had never faced any true adversity in his life.

Multiple coaches have already fallen on their swords for Bryce Young. We have tried to scapegoat everyone and everything possible to avoid facing reality. That's over. What we are seeing is why ultimately nobody else seemingly wanted this head coaching job or the general manager job. By taking the job you were immediately beginning your first attempt by taking a huge L. Everyone that watched last season knew Bryce had low odds of becoming a franchise QB from that. Only cope filled fans here truly believed something special was brewing. We always knew when Canales took this job it was not tied to his ability or inability to salvage Bryce Young. The same would have been said for anyone who took the job at this point. You remove the common thread at the center of the issues and from there try to get a picture of what you've got. Until then. Unless you want to remain a dumpster fire and the worst team in the league for several more years you take a deep breath and approach this rationally. Yes give Canales tons of flack for his dumb ass approach to preseason. But talk of firings at this point is not going to solve anything as much as it sounds appealing to our need for instant gratification. Just put Bryce Young in the rearview.

Here's the rub. If your #1 pick QB is any good at anything whatsoever you won't see people on random fan communities having to shout down any and all criticism to the point of basically creating an echo chamber. Those people deserve yesterday.

I like his honest assessment. As always I went straight to the comments and they were gold. One stood out though. Folks this stink isn't going to wash away for a very long time sadly.... F*ck David Tepper

Seeing the way Bryce played I am immediately reminded of some of his worst moments in camp. One play stands out. Bryce threw a no look pass to a receiver flanked by two defenders without even scanning that side of the field for a split second. Looked like he just wanted to get out of there. That's how Bryce looked yesterday. Not only does he not look like an NFL player he just doesn't seem to give much of a poo in general. Horrific leader as far as I'm concerned.

Before the trade up? Carr. After? Nobody knows for sure. But at this point common sense has to enter into the equation. The way he looked at CJ Stroud at his proday is all I need to know personally.

The definite downside to riding out the season with Bryce Young is these other young players waste a pivotal season of much needed development. At this point I think you have to try to give them some reps with Dalton.

Did you actually expect the defense to carry the game for us or something? Could they and should they have played better? Hell yes. But did we invest heavily in the defense in the offseason? Hell no. What did we invest in. Well let's take a look at that. First round pick trade up? Offense. 2nd round pick trade up? Offense. 153 million dollars between two FA signings? Offense. My guy for someone who isn't trying to carry water for Bryce Young you're sure sounding like the opposite. Like I don't even know what you're doing at this point.