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Reminds me of Ron Rivera canning coordinators early on with us. There may still be hope for Rhule but this team needs to perform significantly better in this final stretch. Even then I'll still be wondering. Seen all this before.

Yep but all our draft picks and not being handcuffed to an almost 20 million dollar salary to the worst qb in the nfl would be nice.

Giving up on DJ but TMJ is the answer?

The number of targets would be a helpful context here. Zylstra has 14 on the season Tremble has 22. CMC is obviously a very good receiving target and we know about Robby's struggles. DJ has 112 targets on the season and considering his own drops and what he has had to deal with at qb and at oline this isn't surprising. I would be curious to see last years numbers without Darnold.

Yeah this is true but I would much rather roll the dice on someone Iike Tomlin after what we've seen from this college staff experiment. If he is available throw everything we've got at him.

Yep. How quickly and badly things soured with that relationship was a big factor in how deadset we were on finding the next starter ASAP. Everyone was waiting to tell the Panthers how wrong they were for that move. Well. Here we are. I've tried to move past all that and I can but what sticks out is the draft picks we've given up. I have to say I've seen a little Dave Gettleman in our front office. Some of this mess was ego driven but their egos got checked real quick. Unfortunately it is us the fans who are left picking up the pieces.

There are no guarantees with that though. So far the trades have hurt more than they have helped by far. We fooled ourselves into believing a more active gm is a better gm bc of Hurney but we are finding out the hard way ineptitude comes in many forms.

The Eagles Giants and Jets all have a slew of picks to retool their roster with next year while Carolina has backed themselves into a corner in the span of just a year trying to win now while still left looking for a QB. What a mess.

You would see less groaning about what if scenarios with that pick if mgmt hadn't tripled down at CB while the oline was left to rot. Now we have very limited draft resources next year to top it off. Not difficult to see why this will remain a source of contentious debate.

It should have been common sense to have some actual NFL experience on this coaching staff. We know you enjoy being the resident contrarian here but surely even you should be able to agree on this.

I love laughing at the Saints but he somehow still had a higher passer rating than both our qb's last Sunday

Turns out maybe it wasn't such a hot idea to give full control to a college coach with only one season of low level NFL coaching experience.

Winner.

Darnold will get another look at some point but their circumstances are quite different. We have three and a half seasons of game tape of Darnold looking like the qb he has since college. Is there a slim chance he could turn it around and become a franchise qb? I suppose. But the odds are about the same that one of us will hit the Powerball this week. But even if we can overlook his deficiencies as a signal caller I have serious doubts about his ability to inspire confidence in his teammates as the defacto leader of that group. Everyone has some bad games here and there you can't win them all but his final start is about as dejected a Panthers offensive group as I've ever seen. He isn't a bad teammate but he seems averse to natural leadership and the little interaction we saw with Robby A after throwing an ugly picksix is indicative of that.

Why does any of it matter? Do you have a DeLorean time machine in your backyard that we can use to correct our mistake? If he turns into a franchise qb for WFT good for them. Has nothing to do with us beyond showing how inept our management is.

I agree about the oline but if we can adequately correct C and LT and get a real NFL caliber offensive coordinator that will go a loooong ways in reestablishing our offense. This stuff about Cam is so boring. There might be 2 or 3 fans who think he is truly above reproach. Everyone else sees the signing for what it is and people sitting around crowing that Darnold got unfair treatment while Cam isn't getting criticized just sound like goofballs. Most commentary here and other places pretty clearly lay out if he has another bad game or two like that it's pretty much spelling the end of the road. We knew this was a live in the moment longshot when we brought him back in under these poor circumstances.

Heinicke actually didn't look bad here we simply chose the wrong qb like we always have. Will Grier never should have been drafted but stuck around bc of that for too long. But even with Heinicke rn what we are seeing is a small sample size. Are you arguing he is going to be a great qb? If so look into your crystal ball and tell us when we will have our own next franchise qb.

@KatsAzz Darnold is terrible get over it. What a truly bizarre fanbase.

Hum diddly dee! What a shot Melo!

I would rather watch 16 games of PJ Walker than see Sam Darnold start another down. Barf.

Great shooting first half for a road game against the champs. I'll take it. Now if they can close.

We need an experienced OC. No more first timers. OL and ST are pretty much beyond doubt in need of replacement. But I'm just not at all thrilled about the idea of another head coach who has to have his hand forced to upgrade his staff. The writing is on the wall with that.

Talent that can't stay on the field. Staring down the barrel of three 5 win seasons in a row. What nuances are we missing in your opinion? You might see less pessimism if we had not mortgaged future draft capital to field this mess.

Oh of course our oline is a disaster and Joe Brady needs to be replaced. But I just don't think McCaffrey is built for the role of a featured back and definitely not a weapon you can base your entire offense around. You gotta see the writing on the wall. Since that often touted 2019 season where he led the league in touches he's been practically made of glass ever since. It sucks but this is the reality we are living in now.