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Tepper definitely had his hand in the cookie jar at times like with the Rhule hiring process but Darnold was Matt and so was Teddy. Tepper wanted Fields and he would be here rn if he had actually been in on that decision. Waiting another year sounds okay until you get to the part where we have absolutely no idea where we will land in the draft order or other teams and their needs. Nothing is guaranteed and we cannot plan for something like that this far out. That's all most folks have been saying

You shouldn't have to tell your head coach how to assemble his staff. It's Ron Rivera all over again.

I would accept oline this year as I said previously but I doubt we are going to wait on the QB after the mess we have made the last two seasons. I mean imagine trying to sell another year of Sam Darnold and the hope of (maybe) getting a quarterback next year to this fanbase. We can make that sound not as bad in January but it's going to be a ghost town in September.

Hey now. We got Darnold bc our mgmt bid against themselves for a QB no one else wanted and virtually every fan saw as a disaster from a mile away. You won't allow your own ego to discuss this rationally. That's your problem bub.

Scouts and analysts are proven wrong one way or another every single year without fail. The rub for us is very simple. No team is going to release or trade a quarterback that can help this franchise get back to relevancy and playoff contention. We are going to at minimum end up throwing one or two darts at the board for quarterback within the next few years. We sealed our fate with the Teddy and Sam attempts. It doesn't matter if we don't like or agree with it. It's happening.

Tell that to the NFC East. The used car salesman persona isn't just limited to our head coach apparently.

None of us can know this. If you can see into the future let's all go hit the lotto forget the Panthers.

Yeah in hindsight it's easy to see how this has all fallen apart when you look back at the red flags the Panthers ignored when they switched from an interview to sales pitch before they even got settled upon arriving. David Tepper treated the most consequential decision the franchise has faced in years like a popularity contest instead of ensuring the right man was hired for the job. And before anyone chimes in about the former radio host making decisions..just no. If he had actually been in charge of anything we may have Justin Herbert rn ironically enough. Tepper got his man he fell head over heels for at first sight and now we are all living with the consequences.

Regardless of how anyone may feel one way or another about any of this or him on a personal level. It's obvious he needs help and not yes men around him. Doesn't sound like TB did him any favors in that area. But he's also grown and must seek out help and use better judgment. He should definitely get away from social media first and foremost. Good luck to him.

You know things are bleak when the only people still sticking up for Matt Rhule are trolls like SizzleBuzz.

Kelly is trying to break the NBA record for threes in a quarter tonight. Thank goodness for the Pistons. 24 threes for the team. What a get right game at the perfect time. They need to find some of this magic on the road.

The Big Ben farewell is a pipe dream. This isn't the Steelers roster. You can't in one breath say you don't want to subject a rookie to this oline and in another advocate for soon to be 33 year old Cam Newton to endure it for the sake of some kind of farewell tour. Even if he was anywhere near the same as a passer that story isn't going to end the way you want and it isn't fair to him or his legacy. I'm getting a sense you are moreso against a rookie QB soon bc you are still attached to Cam. I get that I've been there. I let go many months ago though. Bringing him back returned some nostalgia and was very emotional but we haven't seen dominant Cam since the first half of 2018.

If you are steadfast against drafting a quarterback then why on earth is keeping Newton around a good idea? Cam doesn't have the arm to be a season long starter anymore and he has endured enough abuse by this franchise. There's no reason to pay him on top of the 19 million we are stuck paying Sam. I concur entirely about not wanting to see another season of Darnold but if we aren't drafting a quarterback then just let Sam do what he does as difficult as that will be to watch.

After what Rhule has done with Brady Christensen who can say if TMJ is a bust or just being wasted. He will only be 22 years old when training camp rolls around again so it would be foolish to give up on him.

The Giants wiped the floor with us and they're still likely to have a better pick. Those moral victories fans like to hang their hats on always end up being so costly. We can't even lose right.

Well ideally he wouldn't be here but Tepper gonna Tepper I guess.

We may be a bad destination but we were better situated with cap space and draft resources before we began this "rebuild" that quickly turned into win now for some reason. We've had our opportunities to do this the right way. We are deep in desperation mode now and two divisional foes will also be looking for their quarterbacks of the future while we once again wallow at the bottom of the division so time is certainly not on our side. I share your skepticism on the possibilities of our first pick but either way we are rolling the dice

We should have been picking Burrow at first overall but we had to have our culture building win streak with Kyle Allen. We could have made a move for Herbert too. We again convinced ourselves this year wasn't it and we are doing the same now. We never should have brought in Teddy or Sam if we were truly rebuilding like Rhule and Tepper first sold us when he was hired. But for me it's a tough sell to again convince myself to kick the can down the road. That's just how frustrating it is to be a Panthers fan rn.

I would be fine with oline but as I stated previously I get the feeling many here might pull a 180 if a QB we again pass up looks good for another team. And some think they can see into the future and know in January that this QB class is doomed to fail. We all want instant gratification but this process is going to drag out for awhile longer no matter what we do.

If you don't agree that's cool keep it pushing then. It isn't my fault these decision makers folks here previously fawned over thought it was a good idea to go all defense one draft then corner the first pick on the next and then proceed to stockpile more corners. We have to take a qb this year or next regardless of the oline. Direct your ire where it belongs.

People say that about QB's every year. Herbert was the whipping boy here then Mac Jones too. We don't know none of us have a crystal ball. If we take a quarterback let him learn while Darnold takes the punishment behind this work in progress line.

We had a wasteland at wide receiver for years. We have one of the worst offenses in the league. We have invested significantly in the defense and they have disappointed tremendously in the second half of the season. If we are keen on shipping off a talented player we need to get something for one of these young defenders who will be due big contracts.

Draft a QB and let him sit. Build the OL with the remaining picks and FA and in the meantime let Sam Darnold earn that 19 million dollars the hard way.

I'm not against it but some people are buying into fantasy scenarios and on the same mantra as last year thinking Fitterer was playing 4D chess fooling the entire league. We aren't going to wheel and deal our way out of this. But we have to draft a quarterback. The only attempt we have made in ten years is Will Grier and that doesn't even count.

I'm a Cody Martin fan. But if we are wasting the development of an 11th overall pick who has shown great promise for Cody we need to take a look at our coaching philosophy. In truth we should be further along with all of our rooks. I see too much Clifford in Borrego. It's frustrating.