frankw

Damn I forgot all about that game. We've been so bad for so long some of these seasons from back when we were last competitive seem like a blur.

His receivers were certainly talented. But when a passing game thrives like that it's due to a mutual progression. The right QB can make the right WR even better. See Nico Collins numbers before and after Stroud. Yes the 2023 Texans on paper entering the season were by all accounts by most fans and media talking heads likely headed for another top 10 pick. This revisionist history that Houston was a top destination for a rookie QB is absurdly comical. If need be we can dig up some predraft threads. Hell I distinctly remember some folks here declaring Stroud a bust when he threw an interception in his first preseason game.

Last time we beat the Cowboys was 2015 right? It'd be a nice early Christmas gift to beat them convincingly at home. They're overdue for it. Let's get it done.

Perfect storm? They were one play away from having the #1 pick the year before. Nobody had them pegged as a playoff team. In actuality a lot of people said Stroud would be a long term project in Houston that would not do much of anything right away given their circumstances. Trubisky comparison is out of pocket man come on lol Trubisky in 2018: 20th in yards 21st in yards per attempt 29th in yards per game 30th in passer rating Stroud in 2023: 8th in yards 5th in yards per attempt 3rd in yards per game 6th in passer rating

I would say the author should have chosen a better title. Regardless I still take issue with some of the logic. Particularly with saying don't judge them on their rookie seasons. That's just a little too convenient for me considering the stark contrast between them and the current case being made. I have no idea what Stroud or Young will go on to do for the rest of their respective careers but between the two of them at this point in time Bryce is the one who will have to do everything not only really well but with a little more on top to slam the door shut on those first 18 or so games that were at times historically bad.

Can't compare their sophomore seasons without diving into the fact that as rookies and the first two weeks of this season more often than not Bryce Young looked like he might not belong on an NFL field. If you're having a comparative debate you can't just erase that from the conversation. As such the best conclusion any reasonable individual can make is a much larger sample size is needed. The onus is on Bryce to do that next season when the games really matter for us and playoffs are on the line.

Objectively if he is a Panthers fan and here talking about his team he is by definition on the Bryce wagon. He may not be sold on him as a franchise QB but that isn't a prerequisite requirement to be a Panthers fan. There are definitely some folks here who just need their own community where they can heavily moderate others opinions.

Too small of a sample size to make any sound argument right now. If someone wants to argue otherwise by all means. But it would be rooted in hopium. We need to establish this is not a flash in the pan. For him to even enter into the conversation of a QB who was in MVP talks as a rookie would require the same. If he is doing this and more consistently next season then we have the basis of an argument. Right now he is in the 20-25 range at best in the midst of a season that is a rare low point for passing overall in the NFL.

Came here to post this. Well done.

Absolutely we should consider it and kick the tires at least. Due diligence.

At the end of the day it boils down to excuses. He knows he needs to work on things and either he will and he will get better or this is who he is. I personally don't see this as a Mingo situation where he just doesn't much care to put in work. He doesn't strike me as that kind of player. And he is still a rookie. Surely the folks who have been willing to give Bryce the benefit of the doubt through it all can wait to see how he puts it together in his second season.

Deebo is taking a lot of heat of his own for a big drop at the worst time in last nights game against the Rams. And while I despise the Niners and don't blame him for feeling some type of way about things at times if you're wanting him to be a mentor he hasn't exactly handled things as well as he could have that's just being realistic. If he's willing to take a reasonable deal we should consider it but no way should we break the bank for him. If he still wants that record breaking contract he can get it somewhere else.

Confidence and a good feel within and outside of the pocket make a world of difference. Hoping to see even more steps in the right direction against the Cowboys and Cardinals.

Well he's not using it as an excuse which is admirable but it has to have some level of impact. Regardless I really hope he steps it up and manages to develop into the complete WR we drafted him to be. I can't stomach another bust WR especially after what's already transpired with the Brooks pick.

Here's his numbers before the injury. All this huffing and puffing over this???? lol. I've got a real nice bridge to sell anyone who doesn't think he was on his way to getting benched even if he didn't get injured. That is horrendous.

Nothing changes the fact O'Connell is and has been a backup at best and he was playing poorly before the injury. Our first overall pick should be head and shoulders above him and Andy Dalton but as it stands his improvement puts him right there sandwiched between the two of them. And clearly you can't handle that as only one of us here is furiously typing up angry rebuttals. And this is your second since 1 am. Maybe take a deep breath and stop creating perceived enemies all over the place here because they don't see eye to eye with you on every detail.

Agreed. And I agree with your above remarks about the approach to QB in the future regardless of Bryce. There's no reason we shouldn't consider adding a young QB with one of our day 2 picks because this QB room needs new life and if Canales can get this out of Young then we should absolutely give him another QB to develop as a fallback. That approach is what is best for the team going forward IMO.

While I am sympathetic O'Connell was injured and wish him well he was having a dreadful game and his future is competing for a backup job around the league at best. You can rabble about narratives all you like. I'm expecting our #1 pick to ascend much higher than the likes of that.

I liked his potential but the 49ers have much more talent on the whole than we do. Even still our defense has come up big in some situations the last few weeks despite how depleted the roster has been at times this season.

On this we agree completely. We can talk numbers and comparisons all day. But he is undoubtedly playing with confidence and attempting throws we've been begging for. That alone is an improvement. I share your enthusiasm for Canales. What he's doing with this roster has me excited for next season.

I don't think the low passing yardage is a direct reflection of defensive improvement as much as it is that teams are running the ball a lot more. There are still teams airing it out there were 7 QB's with over 300 passing yards last Sunday. And let's be honest. There was much talk of how good both the Chiefs and Eagles defenses were before we played them and both looked largely meh. Clearly this conversation boils down to a difference in viewpoint. Some people see this through only a lens that Bryce Young has "improved" and nothing else. Others see it through a viewpoint that while he has improved there are other circumstances to consider. If Bryce is truly taking grown man steps forward then he will put up even more impressive numbers in the coming weeks. Right now he is realistically in the 25 out of 32 range and we are considering that an upgrade.

Interesting choice of words.

And just an FYI. Kyle Allen had 255.5 yards per game in 2019. That would make him 6th in the NFL this season. With that in mind would you agree it's worth noting that the comparative improvements Bryce Young has made the last 5 games as a passer are in the midst of what is clearly a rare down year for passing as a whole?

Stroud finished 6th in the NFL in passer rating as a rookie. I want the same thing anyone else wants if Bryce is the QB of the future that's fantastic. But his body of work will be judged as if he is a first overall pick not some small school QB we took a mid to late round flyer on. Let's just agree to disagree.

For anyone curious his new passer rating puts him right between Aiden O'Connell and Andy Dalton. I'm happy he's improving but maybe we should keep things in perspective here. O'Connell just had a game so ugly he got benched for Desmond Ridder. Andy Dalton was so bad we had to go back to Bryce. I mean to consider this is as good news for our first overall pick is a very low bar even for this franchise.