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Both Brees and Wilson in their prime had significantly more strength than Bryce Young has. They also hit the weight room. In three years Bryce has made no attempt.

Could see this coming a mile away with the way he and the team presented himself in the Blueprint series the last two years. Anybody can be all positivity and friends with the players. It's when the chips are down that you find out the kind of head coach you've got. He's soft. That's why we've been blown out under him so many times.

It's good that more people are beginning to acknowledge what's been staring them in the face for quite some time now. If only the Panthers will follow along now.

This years draft is a separate discussion. QB is the most consequential position on the football field. Whether you like it or want to acknowledge it the fact of the matter is Morgan chose to continue with one of the worst QB rooms in the league two years in a row. And he extended Andy Dalton after Dalton had a couple of the most putrid starts we've seen in years against the Bears and the Commanders. It was abundantly clear Andy Dalton was done last year. Still Morgan chose to continue to pay him. Andy Dalton now has over $100 million in career earnings. We're just giving away money here.

Oh I agree David Tepper is ultimately the #1 problem. Unfortunately we can't get rid of him and his wife. Before we hired Morgan the league made it pretty clear to David Tepper that virtually no one who was a legitimate candidate wanted to be here. That's why as critical as I've been of Canales i just have a very hard time believing any quality candidate we could seek out will want to hitch their wagon here. I'll just keep waiting watching and laughing. That's all we've got as Panthers fans these days.

Well look let's keep it real.The Tepper's let Matt Rhule basically do whatever the hell he wanted including micromanaging this franchise down to the smallest of details. Unfortunately the likely answer is there are multiple truths at play here. The Tepper's are high key meddlers that have and still do involve themselves in day to day operations to the detriment of the franchise. And Dan Morgan the rest of the FO and Dave Canales are willing participants who are also unfortunately part of the problem. We can't keep absolving people for their roles and expect to magically turnaround a near decade long winning season drought. We as fans do not owe anyone anything for being a sycophant. Because at the end of the day any jackass can be one.

I have no idea why some of you are acting as if the Tepper's are holding Dan Morgan's family hostage and forcing him to maintain the worst QB room in the league.

I understand why you want it to be true that he did not want to draft Bryce Young and personally I feel the same way but we cannot say that and we have Morgan's actions for the last 2 years that reflect the complete opposite. If Dan never wanted him he would have had a fallback plan this year after Bryce opened 2023 and 2024 playing poorly at best and Dan also would certainly have made a move before the trade deadline recently. But none of that happened. That simply does not sound like the actions of someone who never wanted that guy. That's what we have to go by and that's the summary of the situation as it stands however difficult it may be to have to grapple with.

The issue is no one can say definitively that Dan Morgan did not want to draft Bryce Young and thus as a result no one can say all the things he has done have essentially been against his own wishes. If we had hired Dan fresh from another organization and he had zero ties to decisions here that had transpired in 2023 and prior that would be one thing. We could give him some leeway. But he was here and was involved when we went to great lengths to give ourselves as much QB depth as possible.

I like Dan Morgan the person and the player. I like some of the things he's done here with the draft and free agency within the last 12 months. But what he has done at QB is a fireable offense. I know the Tepper's meddle. But I cannot get on board with this notion that Dan Morgan is entirely a hostage to the whims of the Tepper's commands regarding quarterback and Dan Morgan cannot freely think for himself. He is a willing participant folks.

The only conclusion I can make is the Panthers decision makers are just set in their ways for better or worse. The New Orleans Saints kicked this bum to the curb nearly three years ago and have a rookie QB that many people ridiculed them for drafting who might as well be lightyears ahead of our QB room. And people actually want to argue that our GM is competent.

Honestly he's hit and miss with the draft. There is much to like with this years draft but it's still early. The Brooks miss looms large and was just an unnecessary move. And at this point we cannot ignore the XL pick any longer and that pick opens a different conversation btw because there were weird things going on with that like why was Bryce Young's father publicly lobbying for XL and pushing who the Panthers should draft? He's better than Scott Fitterer in the draft but I mean that's saying the absolute bare minimum because Scott Fitterer was the antichrist as an evaluator of talent in the draft. Free agency this year Dan Morgan did well overall with what he had to work with. But all roads lead back to quarterback. It is the most consequential position on the football field. To do what we did with this QB room two years in a row is negligence and should not happen with a professional evaluator of talent.

People get too caught up in the history he has with the team and cannot separate the GM from the player.

Don't speak that into existence sir.

If our local media were at all worth a damn they would be hounding Dan Morgan for interview requests right now. If this were a larger market his feet would be getting held to the fire. He shouldn't get to just hide out in his office.

We had Mike Vrabel slated for an interview. Can you imagine Vrabel in the middle of year 2 and watching Bryce Young attempting and utterly failing at playing QB against the 1-8 Saints? Suffice to say he wouldn't be indirectly blowing smoke to the media. He would have assuredly already had a viable alternative on the roster and pivoted to that guy regardless of what the GM or the owner thinks because he would do what is best for his football team.

I would be fine with Trey Lance and a rookie QB. That we are to the point of welcoming Trey Lance with open arms and all but offering him a key to the city shows just how downbad the Panthers front office has made this fanbase that has already suffered through going on what will likely be 8 consecutive losing seasons. Unforgivable.

I was quite critical of Ron Rivera's game day coaching decisions and management over his years here. Especially when he coached super conservative playing not to lose. But at the end of the day he never had to try and win with a Bryce Young. John Fox had to try and win with a Bryce Young and he completely checked out and got himself fired. The only. Only solution right now. Is to remove the anchor around our necks from the equation and move forward however we can and assess all the moving parts with the time we have left so we can move forward accordingly in the offseason. Not doing so is only going to further delay evaluating what we have in this young roster and this staff led by Canales.

I cannot say enough how much the FO disgusts me. That we are to the point where we have paid this kid $39 million given up substantial capital to acquire him built the most expensive OL in the league to give him a chance to succeed. Drafted back to back first round WR's. And here we are essentially beating around the bush at best and acting as if we cannot see what is plain as day to everyone else. Dan Morgan should be ashamed of himself. The Tepper's are horrible out of touch people but Morgan should be better than this.

I'm not a fan of Schlereth but unfortunately he is completely correct. I'm legitimately surprised he was this candid about it. The tide seems to be turning in the media. And yet. The Panthers continue to come up with excuses. Incredible.

The answer is simple and there for anyone who has actually been realistically assessing the situation from the jump. So look you have to start at the beginning. Bryce Young in college made plays yes. But he also played for Alabama under the modern GOAT coach. And even there when they were destroying smaller schools ultimately Bryce Young did not establish a consistent and successful deep passing game. Between him Tua and Mac Jones he had a drastically inferior deep ball. Fast forward to the NFL. He's had some nice throws here and there virtually all of them have been within the intermediate range. But he has not at any point showcased an ability to consistently go deep let alone become one of the better QB's at it which should be expected for his draft slot. And even those games at the end of last year his best game was against Atlanta where he did most of his work with his legs and he actually had several rushing touchdowns in that stretch of games. All of which opened a door for me IMO to question the sustainability of it. We drafted him to be a passer. We need him to win as a passer and more often than not that is what is going to be required of him. Now here we are reaching the midway point of his third season and he is now at 39 or 40 games and there are people who supposedly have functioning brains that are acting as if Canales is the one intentionally eliminating half the field. Yes he deserves criticism for different things but come on. We said all these things about Frank Reich too. Once you get to coaching staff number two it's time to say okay if it looks like a duck quacks like a duck and walks like a duck. It's a motherfưcking duck alright? The worst thing the Panthers staff and FO can do is continue going around like Helen fưcking Keller acting as if acknowledging the elephant in the room which is the reality that Bryce Young is not a franchise QB and not the answer and never will be will end in the universe swallowing itself and ending humanity. Nut up swallow that lump in your throat and put one foot in front of the other.

I agree with you. We'll see. But I have a hard time believing Morgan has been not sold on Bryce Young this whole time and is doing strictly what Tepper says because his actions say otherwise. We know the Tepper's meddle heavily but the things Morgan has said directly about Bryce Young do not sound like a man who was steadfastly against drafting him.

100% The perception of Morgan is all too similar to that of Fitterer early on. You couldn't suggest he was simply just maybe not great at his job or the knives would come out.

To a degree you have a point but with divisional matchups if the franchise is going to turn the corner this should never happen. Especially with our most bitter rival at home.