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On the surface it is intriguing. But I would not wish dealing with the Tepper's as a coach on Luke Kuechly. We see what they've done to Dan Morgan.

Of course. Although it is necessary to wonder just how far those conversations went in the hiring process. As in when they discussed the plans to "fix" Bryce Young how much leeway does Bryce Young ultimately have if he performs poorly and does Dave Canales have full autonomy to bench him when he feels it's time to make that call? Right now to me it looks like it's Tepper's decision. And if that is indeed the case we're boned no matter who the coach is.

Truthfully if we had drafted Ladd he would probably be disgruntled by now. All the passes thrown at the ground the hospital balls the poor at best ball placement to the sideline and the distinct lack of legitimate downfield passes. Yeah folks are being certainly quite optimistic to think he would be lighting it up here.

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Not a good look for him or the team. This is such a stupid situation that the Panthers created. And it is comically inconsistent with how we have babied our first overall pick. But as far as watching the last two games what did any of us learn with him off the field? The pass offense still stinks and can't move the ball consistently. We only beat the Falcons because they kept shooting themselves in the foot Cheddar Bob style.

Rookie first overall pick Cam Ward is 0-4 with the Tennessee Titans and has looked pretty bad but you don't see the media across the board or someone like LeBron James having a pity party for him. That's because he didn't play for Alabama and Nick Saban.

Kudos to him for recognizing what has been plainly obvious to anyone that has watched the Panthers offense.

Stop that.

There has never been a football coach alive or dead that could make Bryce Young a franchise quarterback just to be clear.

Even if we acquired him I feel like it would go no differently than it would if we just played Hendon Hooker. As such I'd rather just play the guy that isn't completely self absorbed to the point he's acting like a mime in front of cameras.

I agree with you that the gameday coaching and situational football scenarios leave a great deal to be desired. On both sides of the ball. Although we must be clear. Evero was forced on Canales by the Tepper's. Canales didn't even interview with anyone else. We hired him solely because of the work he did with past QB's and because he was an offensive mind that had what was perceived to be a strong season with the Bucs. We had a hard nosed culture creator like Mike Vrabel scheduled for an interview but most Panthers fans were in agreement we didn't want a retread and I get the sense he would not have meshed with the Tepper's similarly to how Jim Harbaugh would not have. Because they would have told the Tepper's to fưck off if need be. In hindsight we probably should have rolled the dice on Vrabel but the issue there is I do not believe he would have stood for continuing to play Bryce Young despite dozens of games worth of tape showing he is simply not a starting quarterback. There is no way Vrabel would have made it this long without moving on to another QB. And I also do not believe he would have stood by while the FO made zero attempt to bring in any legitimate competition in the QB room two offseasons in a row. Not a chance in hell. Arguing over whether or not Canales is or isn't "it" is pointless at this juncture. Everything we've done last year and this year has revolved around catering to and building around Bryce Young and our team has continually been worse off for it. Continuing to play him and drag this out is only going to make things worse for everyone involved.

I mean he would have to fully have his head up his ass to not see how limited his offense is and yeah that run play on 3rd down was as obvious of a public signal as it gets. It's honestly crazy how much we have normalized our 4th head coach in 4 years basically being forced to play a QB he had no part in drafting and instead inherited. Yes we did technically hire him to "fix" Bryce Young but wtf was he or anyone else going to do to change Bryce Young's size and lack of physical talent. And Bryce Young won't go anywhere near the weight room now three fuging offseasons in a row but we're trying to set an example for our roster by deactivating WR's and cutting players for performance issues. Regardless of if Canales pans out as a head coach the structure and process of this franchise is a complete and utter joke and that begins and ends with the Tepper's.

Well as a fanbase we have to reconcile with the reality that after the debacle that was giving full control and generational wealth to Matt Rhule which ended comically bad. Morgan now and Fitterer before him have been largely figureheads and the Tepper's have been pushing and steering the overall agenda. As such. Salvaging the trade and selection of Bryce Young has been the #1 goal because they wanted him and they do not want to admit they made a catastrophic mistake. This is why we have made basically no changes to the scouting staff in many years and instead we've pivoted to hiring and putting resources into analytics and PFF. Unfortunately even if we fire Morgan no GM worth his salt is going to take a job here knowing he has to be a sycophant to and take orders from the Tepper's.

Well ultimately he knew full well what he was getting into with this lot here which is why he insisted on a 6 year contract.

Something gotta give soon. Can't keep trying to make an example out of others while whistling along ignoring the elephant in the room.

Bryce Young has one road win in three years and has consistently displayed the lowest volume of yards per play across the NFL since entering the league. Nobody was going around whailing about Jimmy Clausen haters 15 years ago. The word "hater" around here is effectively meaningless thanks to folks like the OP.

To the argument that this is about "sending a message" I put as much stock in the meaningfulness of this as I do sending Xavier Legette to the shadow realm for playing poorly. None of this poo matters until we get a QB with some balls.

This franchise just has no self awareness under the Tepper's.

Well there's a second Lombardi trophy over there in the midst of it all.

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It is quite ironic. But it is indicative of what made Morgan the hire. He had to be on board with sacrificing other crucial parts of the team in order to build around Bryce Young and justify the trade. It's why other GM candidates flatly balked at interviews.

Licht is one of the better GM's in the league and he's been with them since 2014. It's crazy what can happen when you have an owner who actually allows football people to make the decisions.

Eric Collins is a gem. I don't expect the team to give him much to work with unfortunately.

I figured. Admittedly there was a time when I tried to give Evero the benefit of the doubt. Lesson learned. He is after all someone that David Tepper particularly believes in to the point he basically forced him to stay here another year.