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Nobody has said Baker didn't have to come into camp and work. Sam had leadership questions and he was the statistical worst QB of the last few years when we signed him to that 18 million dollar option and then Rhule coddled him all through camp and tried to hide him in preseason to the point even the official team website had to finally be like "okay guys we're playing Sam we promise". Darnold didn't earn a starting job here or in NY he was handed it and that's why he went on a podcast after being the worst starting QB in the NFL last season and sounded like an entitled jackass.

Yet you dragged Aaron Rodgers Brett Favre and Tom Brady into this to make a point to defend Sam Darnold getting a chance to fight for his job lmao. It's your bedtime nobody cares about your grudge you're still carrying over from a tinderbox slapfight. Let it go. Sweet dreams honey.

Thanks you too bud!

You've been arguing with everyone here 24 hours straight and you can't even differentiate between bored and board and you're on here talking down to people about locker room dynamics. Take a break.

Your insults are cute. Who cares if he's liked or not? All of these guys value their careers and their longevity more than anything and if he's a hindrance to their progress nobody is going to bat an eye if he's out as the starter. It's a business. Remember that? All of these things go for Baker Mayfield too. Or did you already forget how he left Cleveland? And he actually brought the Browns their first playoff win in 26 years.

You don't have a point. You're dragging hall of fame quarterbacks into this to argue semantics about respecting vets like anyone looks at Sam Darnold and sees a winner instead of a Milquetoast panicker who was the worst QB in the league from a clean pocket and was outdueled by Daniel f*cking Jones. Give it up.

Save your gifs. Nobody on this team was going to lose any sleep over the possible perception of Sam Darnold being passed over. He brings new meaning to the word awful. Even Cam Newton with the arm of a 50 year old brought more life to the Panthers. Baker was the guy the moment the ink was dry.

Some of these people are just arguing to argue. Darnold was coddled last summer it's just a fact. We never should have guaranteed him that option. You let him play and if he goes on to be your franchise guy you work something out. But he was atrocious like he's always been. Very different situation from Baker who has actually been successful as a starter and took a pay cut to play here. Obviously Baker was and is our best option which may not be saying very much given what we have seen the last few years but this farce competition was a waste of everyone's time that's just the truth.

Yeah I'm sure the team loved seeing Sam throw a backbreaking pick six at home against the Patriots and then walking back to the bench like he couldn't wait to leave the stadium. Very kind of you to speak up for him.

I don't believe this. But we need to get him on the field catching touchdown passes. We draft this kid in the second round sign Robby Anderson to a good sized contract extension and then proceed to not even give TMJ a gameday jersey in the second half of the season when we had nothing to play for. So why are there people in this thread diving in front of Matt Rhule criticism again?

I haven't entered the thread yet and I'm already in your head. Amusing. But I would be thrilled if Baker leads us to the playoffs. First I need to see this coaching staff field an OL that isn't bottom of the league though.

Did I say his ability has been lowered? He's still young but the next two years for running backs are not kind to most. The biggest problem has been his coaching staff basically spamming Madden recommended playcalls that say "save me CMC". I have a hard time believing Rhule will actually be able to change from that and stick with it in 4th quarter situations. We shall see.

It's called a pattern. When you give a guy that many touches a game and he racks up multiple injuries it speaks for itself. He's a damn talented back. But he isn't a workhorse carry your team kind of player. You're going to have to accept facts sooner or later. For now you just cannot remove your emotion about him from the equation.

Well neither of us are doctors nor can we predict the future so to make any claim about how his injuries will affect him moving forward is entirely opinion based. We can play the would he or wouldn't he have been active if we were contenders game but again neither or us know. There are facts we do know. Both Rivera and Rhule have tried and failed at making McCaffrey the workhorse and giving him 30+ average touches a game. If the plan is to keep him healthy for the bulk of the season moving forward then they cannot use him the same way. I would hope to see him more in the receiving game and let Foreman get those late game handoffs for tough yards.

Yeah well that's what happens when you go on a podcast talking yourself up as being a good quarterback and then proceed to change nothing about your preparation when faced with a real QB competition.

Agreed hence the if healthy disclaimer. But Derrick Henry represents a rare size mismatch. Love CMC but if he were built like that...dayum.

JM was just a shithead who only cared about himself and maintaining the lifestyle he had gotten used to in college. I would not at all be surprised if Willis does well under Mike Vrabel. He went to the playoffs with Tannehill after all. If Derrick Henry is healthy they are a problem.

Cam looked meh in just about every preseason but he's also a unicorn at the position and more of an outlier. Comparing Willis to Clausen this early is pretty weak and lazy.

The term echo chamber has been used here from time to time in reference to his critics but it's plain to see the real echo chamber are the holdouts who insist anyone that isn't fawning over him is a hater who they can't wait to prove wrong. I don't care if our head coach is Scooby-Doo as long as we are winning.

We had our choice we could have moved up for Willis and Howell was available. I would have been fine with either and Willis had the highest ceiling out of all but the staff made their choice and we're stuck with it.

It definitely isn't just here. Most people out there know about Baker's potential. There are some in the media who also see a team that just sent a rookie QB to IR behind very poor oline depth so Mayfield will only take us as far as that depth allows. Pass rushers won't be letting up on a free path to the QB in the regular season. Mayfield almost got lit up against Washington. Hoping he can work some magic because I am not sold on the interior OL until I see results.

If we're going to ban people for bad takes we'll start with the folks who still think Sam Darnold is a starting caliber quarterback.