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10th in pass defense 14th in run defense. Certainly much better than last year. But we've got some tougher offenses coming up.

Glad to hear they are taking accountability and pushing one another. Need more of that for sure.

The holier than thou "all these other people are toxic and I'm completely perfect and have never done nothing wrong ever" shtick has worn on most people who are actually seeing the posts now but somehow it's still not clicking. But what are ya gonna do. You can lead a horse to water...

Hilarious.

I understand where you're coming from in terms of how you feel about Morgan. I would argue that if Morgan was indeed as skeptical as you suggest at that time then he would have made a real attempt to have a legitimate fallback plan in place this year after seeing his #1 overall pick begin the regular season two (now three) consecutive years in a row playing poorly.

Ah yes everyone on the roster exists solely to either make Bryce look better or be his scapegoat.

We won't know who specifically was fully in on him before the draft unless Reich speaks out in a couple years and that's only if he chooses to do so. Ultimately I get the sense far too much emphasis was placed on factors not pertaining to assessing the viability of his physical abilities on the field (not participating at the combine given the level of investment that was made should have been a moment of clarity) and moreso on the hype revolving around his football IQ and his personality. The word at the time was that he simply wowed everyone at that dinner before the draft which I assume included Dan Morgan along with Fitterer and Tepper. This fully lines up with how things went down with the Matt Rhule hire too where instead of an approach of due diligence it was an impulsive reaction of being caught up in a moment and deciding this is our guy we don't need to look any further or deeper.

I think there are times when we sometimes have difficulty separating Morgan the GM from Morgan the player when assessing his body of work. That comes with the territory of the hire that we made because of our very limited options. But it all boils down to just how involved are the Tepper's. This organization and front office need to run independently without their interference. I don't know that we will ever see that happen unfortunately. But I'll let this thread get back to the initial discussion which was about Scourton playing well. Hopefully we see more of that from him and the rest of the rookie class.

Just to be clear no one in the front office at the time before or immediately following the 2023 draft including Fitterer Morgan or Reich was saying Bryce Young would need the highest paid OL in the entire league which we now have just to look halfway serviceable.

When you look at this and line it up with his current YPA based on a comparable number of attempts only rookie Cam Ward and 40 year old Joe Flacco are in his company. For all the investments we've made in the offense this is just pitiful.

If you want my honest assessment I think Morgan is largely doing the bidding of the Tepper’s who are still meddling and guiding moves just as they were when Fitterer was GM. The fact that we have made absolutely no attempt to make any significant changes to the draft scouts in years and instead doubled down on analytics and hired a PFF guy basically confirms this. There's a reason no other legitimate GM candidates were seriously considering the Panthers. I like Dan Morgan. None of this changes my perception of him in Panthers lore. But there are realities that have to be recognized. He's done good things he's done not so good things. There's a lot we still need to see and there are still many football games left to play. All we can do is see what unfolds.

The only one in this particular thread that is giving the vibe of being obsessed and bothered is the one following others around and going on diatribes about their posts. That's you. All you're doing here is trying to police discourse when nobody asked you to and giving the appearance of someone that is unwell. I hope that clears things up for you.

Dan Morgan as GM has absolutely paid through the nose to surround Young with as much talent as possible even to the detriment of other areas of the roster. Does that sound like someone who took the job knowing that his success would be dependent on a player he never wanted to draft in the first place? There's no need for revisionist history.

Sir you've created 6 Bryce Young pity party threads within the last 30 days. At this point you might as well be his agent.

Scott Fitterer and Dan Morgan were basically best friends by their own words. To argue Morgan was an unwitting participant in the pick is just unnecessarily silly.

NOT a fan of Mark Schlereth. I am thrilled to see Greg Olsen in the booth.

Most people agree the roster has talent. Dan has been hit and miss. The biggest miss currently is the lack of urgency with the QB room. Let's be real here. We aren't going to get to go up against Penix Jr and Tua every week. Even Drake Maye dumped on us. It's a marathon not a sprint. And I am a lifelong Panthers fan but I know there's going to be another egg laid sooner or later.

Great leader for the defense. We are lucky to have him.

Can I just say that with all we've been through the last several years and how weak the division is now compared to how tough it was back then it disgusts me that we have to say nice things about Drew f*cking Brees because people try to use him to draw outrageous correlations to Bryce Young.

And if we weren't spending the most amount of money in the entire league on the OL you would be complaining about them not doing enough to protect him. You are beyond helping.

Whatever you're doing here isn't helping anyone man just a heads up.

It's just performative to go viral. No such thing as bad publicity for attention seeking grifters.