frankw

Don't create stupid threads if all you're going to do is throw a tantrum and poo posts.

Bare with me here because I'm going to break this down slowly for you. It's possible to criticize without saying he needs to be fired. I've never asked for him to be fired. In fact I've argued the opposite for plainly clear reasons such as the fact no one will want to work here unless they are entirely a sycophant to the Tepper's. All that being said. Dave Canales team has looked like ass cheeks since that brief high against the Raiders. That's not hyperbole or an overreaction. It's simply stating the facts of the situation. Are there different things going on that are only exacerbating the issue? Yes. Should we still be showing some kind of improvement in a lost season? Yes. That's all I'm asking for.

We hired an offensive head coach to fix our passing game and all anyone does is rage at him to run the ball more lol

Yeah I'm starting to question Canales with each game at this point. There are things wrong with this team but the same dumb ass mistakes and soft mentality keeps showing up.

Oh lawd Dalton is still playing

I missed what happened. He got banged up on a rushing attempt?

lol

Tepper isn't going anywhere. Just have to accept or boycott his product altogether.

It's a fuging passing league and he was hired because of that.

Dalton is done I've seen enough. We're about to see Bryce again i guess. Man some of ya'll jokers were really in here asking if we can afford Dalton...

You're just going to see the field shrink and interceptions while he's on his tippy toes.

Eventually it becomes an issue of predictability. Defenses know Dalton can make throws unlike Bryce but if he is being held back due to horrible plays like what just happened we can commit to the run as much as we want they are going to know what's coming.

We are realistically all homerism aside 2-3 years minimum from competing for anything of significance. It is going to take at least a few very good drafts. These are tough conversations for tough times. It is what it is.

Dalton is toast.

I tend to agree with you in principal. I really like Hubbard and what he adds to the team production wise and mentality wise. The issue is the Panthers have needs across the roster and just invested a ton in the oline. Center is still a need as well. None of this is even mentioning the fact we just traded up to select an RB in the second round this year. Then we have to look back at the signings of "Double Trouble" from long ago and even then that is now known to have been a bad move to say the least. But at least the team around them was serviceable. This is probably the worst shape our roster has been in that I can recall. One can like Hubbard and ultimately prefer to retain him while also acknowledging it is most likely unwise to invest another significant contract in the position when accounting for the full picture of the current predicament.

What even is his value? Maybe a 6th?

Well one way or another it helps give him more leverage. We did the same thing with Burns. It only got worse from here.

If you already have a few premier pass rushers Clowney is a decent addition on the cheap. But to expect him to anchor a pass rush was always a fantasy. We were desperate. We knew it no matter how excited we might have been about the signing at the time.

Jags get to beat up on the Patriots and suddenly they look like an NFL team again.

Prepare thy anuses

Eh I think we should come to the realization that Andy Dalton is not that coveted. He's certainly better than Bryce Young but he's a boom or bust aging veteran. If he wants big money then he can show himself out. I also tend to lean toward the conclusion that the huddle is overrating Johnson to a degree. The Steelers are doing just fine without him. Who in the world is giving us a 2nd and a player for a running back that has yet to add a 1k rushing season to his resume and is due his first big contract? It's as good a time as any for us as Panthers fans to be as realistic as possible about the players on our roster no matter how much we like them.

I like Hubbard. I'd prefer to keep him but not at max value. On the idea of trading him I just don't know what we would get that would make it some sort of must make deal. There have been some good players right now going for 3rd round picks at best. I want more picks too but a mid to late rounder isn't moving the needle much. If that's all we're looking for then get something for Thielen and Johnson. This isn't a one draft solution situation regardless. It's going to take at least a few really solid drafts to even get close to where we need to be.