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Let's just make this clear. The best the passing offense has looked early in the season when the games actually mattered since 2023 was in Seattle with Reich in 2023 and in Vegas in 2024 with Canales. Both were Andy Dalton starts. Bryce Young has looked abysmal with now two different coaching staffs to start the season three consecutive years. No we cannot exclude the Reich year and take ourselves seriously.

It doesn't work that way sir. You cannot create a thread expect logical honest discussion and then pick and choose which of his 32 career starts you want to evaluate his entire body of work on. 2023 his YPA was 5.5 For 2025 so far his ypa is 5.4. 5.8 is the average and that is being kind if I'm being honest.

Shaq was an okay LB and a good leader as the years went on. He just got drafted right when Gettleman had begun to dismantle a Super Bowl roster. He never really got the chance to experience a non rookie season with that core beyond 2018 and that was the season that slammed the door shut. After that we already know how the story goes and it isn't pretty.

Nah that's too high. As of right now his career yards per pass attempt sits at 5.8. Which is the same as Joey Harrington who is 215 out of 215 all time in yards per pass attempt. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_yds_per_att_career.htm

Sam Darnold - All the physical tools Baker Mayfield - All the physical tools Daniel Jones - All the physical tools Bryce Young????????

It's telling that you switch from making every excuse imaginable for Bryce Young for going on two+ years now to celebrating because Stroud and the Texans are 0-2. I mean even if Stroud stays where he is now he will still be better than Bryce Young. Which isn't saying much granted. But he has 2 playoff wins in two years and even the Texans backup has a playoff win. That's 3 more playoff wins than anyone in our QB room including the veteran Dalton. And that franchise was one play away from the first overall pick two years ago. I didn't even want to trade up. I didn't want to mortgage the future because we had already been doing that to no avail. But it wasn’t up to me. Once we did. I said we should take the best pure passer available. That was the only logical path forward at that point. But if this is how you cope do you man. I'll be over here with the rest of the folks firmly residing in reality.

So Steve Smith will blast the city that he built a potential hall of fame career in but not the horrible owner? The Tepper's are the common denominator but all I've ever seen him do is kiss up to them. He is still quite immature for his age and he has really done a number on his reputation as of late. That's a shame.

Things like that go beyond difference of opinion. It's simply living in an alternate reality from the rest of us.

David Tepper has openly called his critics within his own fanbase basement dwellers. I assure you unfortunately he does not give a single fug about the fans concerns. He and his wife are going to do as they please good or bad until the team is sold. It's unfortunate but that's the reality.

The version of Baker Mayfield in Tampa Bay now was never going to be that here. He got a very heavy portion of humble pie both with the Browns and us. That was a driving force in changing his career. And at the end of the day the Bucs are unfortunately a well ran organization. But Baker had already flashed his physical gifts and potential even with the lowly Browns. He just had to get out of his own way and drop the immature meathead crap. Too bad for Geno Smith and Pete Carroll. That wall comes fast. They are both past their expiration date. And as of recently some of Geno's comments sound like a guy rather full of himself. The league will be glad to humble you.

Still trying to compare one of the smallest QB's in the league with zero physical tools to QB's who have all the physical tools

Elite processing.

For the sake of the few fans that will be in attendance I hope it doesn't get too out of hand. But with the injuries to the OL and what looks to be a brewing culture of guys making business decisions on defense I expect it to get ugly. This same Falcons defense made JJ McCarthy look quite awful after an impressive finish against the Bears.

We should already be on the phone with the Giants at this point.

I mean if we were competitive and Bryce Young were actually doing something of note when games mattered early in the season that would be one thing. If this were like the Cam years where even though there wasn't much talent on the team and he was still showcasing his generational talent yet some idiots were still badmouthing him then yeah by all means. But this is not that. We've looked like dogwater three years in a row to start the season and our first overall pick is the core of the issues. Telling someone to find a new team at this juncture is beyond shitposting. Might as well put on some lipstick and lay a wet one right on David Tepper's bare ass because all you're doing is carrying his water.

I agree. But in terms of QB. I've seen enough coaches fall on a sword for Bryce Young.

Yeah he plays small for his size which is crazy. One of those plays in particular the ball hit Legette right in the hands. But. When you watch the rest of it you see why eventually late in the 4th quarter Bryce Young finally got an intentional grounding. He was throwing too many passes low and the others were either very erratic or poorly placed. We need to see this offense with a more competent QB.

If you hate it here enough to say that to people in a time like this then why not just quit coming back?

There's such a laughable lack of accountability for this team.

It's obviously not Hunt's fault he got hurt but this is why I would have rather drafted interior OL than have given a huge contract to both him and Lewis. It always ends badly for us. And we have the highest amount of salary cap dedicated to the OL in the league and it's only going to go up even higher when we ink Icky to his new deal. I'm tired of excuses all around for this offense.

Your reasoning is based on what you want. You are not operating on a basis any different from any other fan. We can argue all day about the pieces and the coaches around Bryce Young. The simple fact of the matter is as a first overall pick he is supposed to elevate those around him in situations too. We are not seeing that. In fact he is putting his team in early holes due to his physical limitations and his poor decision making. And he has done that now three consecutive years to start the season. If you want to sing kumbaya now that's great brother I've got no problems with you but you have been the complete opposite of that for over a year now and spamming poo reactions over Bryce. You have been by no means an objective observer anymore than anyone else. And no I am not going to quit the Panthers because Bryce Young becomes a bust. I mean you yourself have flip flopped on him multiple times so I really don't even know where you get the audacity to even suggest that lol. But again. Thanks for the conversation sir.

I was right there with you. I hoped for the best and tried to support once he was drafted. But the media created legend of Bryce Young the draft prospect was honestly like nothing I've ever seen. For a kid who didn't even play all that particularly great for Alabama (Mac Jones was the better college QB and it really wasn't close) he received an insane level of benefit of the doubt. From his supposed elite football IQ elite processing elite preparation elite field general abilities elite leadership yada yada the guy could do absolutely no wrong. Even when he showed up to the combine and hid out in a hoodie refusing to throw nobody batted an eye. And even after that he was still compared to current and past hall of famers in the NFL and other sports across the spectrum. If he didn't play for Saban and Alabama it would have been and would be right now completely different in the way he was and is perceived. But again. I've never seen anything like it for other prospects that I can think of in recent memory. Others have been dissected in some way or another. Maybe the only other comparison I would make would be Andrew Luck. But Luck had the necessary physical intangibles that Bryce Young very plainly lacked when you sit down and watch the tape. It was crazy then and it is still crazy now.

Morgan takes his orders from the Tepper's. Ultimately if we fire him it's just going to be another yes man. I don't like it either but that's where we're at.

Yeah this is overlooked for "reasons" but we aren't going to get those lucky breaks against legit contenders on the rest of the schedule. It's gonna get ugly.