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Collins biggest problems were his turnovers and being a POS. But the fact remains he had very similar production through the air with Bryce Young. And he still won more than Bryce with all those turnovers. You see haters when you close your eyes bub. Grow up.

People forget about Steve it happens. Been a long time. But I agree that hasn't happened yet. As of right now Bryce is in the same neighborhood as Kerry Collins. 44 games for Bryce 45 games for Collins. Both with 47 touchdowns. Bryce needs to win these next two games and increase the W/L ratio and then we can keep assessing.

The difference in perception IMO also resides in the fact that many of these Panthers fans are more recent fans and haven't seen the best days of Delhomme and Newton. Those who have tend to be more realistic about the current trajectory. And at the end of the day this team is very up and down and has been all season. I mean this very nice and well needed win followed us being swept by the lowly Saints. Nothing wrong with glass half full or glass half empty until the team finishes the season strong and actually follows up a win with meeting or exceeding expectations the following week. That's what we are waiting to see.

Cam Newton had off games. His footwork and his accuracy were maddening at times. But Cam Newton in his prime was never in danger of waking up one morning and being 5'9 185 pounds. I like most people here just want a franchise QB. I'll take whatever I can get. If Bryce somehow by miracle becomes the guy so be it I'm on board. But he isn't one morning going to wake up 5 inches taller and more muscular. He is always going to be working from a disadvantage from a physical standpoint. And as long as that exists in some capacity it is going to be more challenging to consistently win with him let alone get up and over the playoff hump. These are just realities that have to be grappled with.

Whew buddy you would be wrong. BIG swing and miss.

Man it's taken no time at all for these folks to go to work taking a great team win and turning it into a story that Bryce Young did all the lifting himself. Gotta love it.

There's a straight line between the loudest Bryce Young fanatics and diminishing Cam Newton.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret. .....There can be multiple things true at one time. XL is dangerously teetering on bust status. But there were also many people associated with this franchise who were bamboozled including Dan Morgan and those closest to Bryce Young

Oh pardon me. Did Bryce Young's father not loudly and publicly lobby for Xavier Legette?

If we somehow got to the Super Bowl I assure only one or two imbeciles would be remotely complaining.

More often than not we've labored to get over 20 points this year. Just important to keep things in perspective. Still thrilled with today though.

Bryce Young's father raved about him. What a waste.

Kyle Allen had 17 touchdowns in 12 starts. Let's see how Bryce finishes the season.

We finally took the right path at kicker. Grab a young UDFA and hand him the keys. Glad we have Fitzgerald.

Even on a rookie contract he's the third highest paid player on the team this year. Once he becomes the guy financially all this talk of the OL the receivers and the playcalls and the defense is going out the window.

The scramble TD throw Bryce had in the red zone was impressive and a great play all around from him and Sanders. As far as his manuevering out of the pocket and his scrambling ability going forward we should keep things in perspective though. The reason that play worked out so well was because he had a short field and the end zone in front of him. That play at mid field or beyond is going to largely end the same way it did on third down late in the game when we were forced to settle for a FG because Bryce has difficulty seeing the field. And that is how defenses are going to continue to play him going forward. You can be sure the Seahawks will be keyed in on the same gameplan. Let's hope our defense is ready to go to work on Sam Darnold.

I think the league and the refs may dislike Baker Mayfield even more than us.

You also don't see anyone here shamelessly grifting.

Again. Whatever side argument you have going on is not the same as the broader topic at hand. The reality is there is one guy who is completely off limits to some on the huddle and across the fanbase and that is Bryce Young. XL is at least on a basic level understandable because he does so little to help his case. But he has made an impact in games with critical blocks at least and he has actually scored touchdowns. But we all agree he needs to get his shīt together asap because the clock is running out fast. Literally everyone else on offense and defense is and has been fair game to the same people who have a problem with Bryce "haters". That's a simple reality that can be verified just with the threads here since the season started. You don't have to like it. But it is true.

Whatever spat you've got going on in here with one single poster is a completely different subject sir.

We've had countless threads and posts bashing everyone from XL to TMac to Sanders to Evans to Tremble to Rico Dowdle to Chuba Hubbard and to basically anyone and everyone on the defense. The only time anyone calls foul is when it's Bryce Young.

OL coach is definitely an unsung hero deserving of props.

Bryce had some nice plays. Also had help from his guys that many people have gone out of their way to trash. The "hating" is only a problem for certain players.

Defense is what it is with Evero and so much youth and lack of round 1 draft picks. All things considered I think they are servicable and we can win with them.