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Even a blind squirrel eventually finds a nut once in awhile. The problem with Tepper is even if he finally makes the right hire he just can't help himself from meddling. Unless he's willing to do that the end result will likely be the same.

The more we talk about it the more I just struggle to believe both Reich and McCown wanted Young and had him head and shoulders above Stroud.

Of course he's in the top 10 issues he's our QB and a number one pick we traded a top 10 WR for. Let's not be ridiculous. That does not mean he is the only issue though. No I do not think he's Jimmy Clausen. Though simple reality says this offense is on par with the 2010 offense. Some of that has been scheme OL and poor WR play. But unequivocally Bryce has had his role in this. He has got to start proving his arm is franchise QB worthy. Defenses are not at all concerned about that right now regardless of our circumstances. And I do not think starting Dalton is an option. Bryce has to learn and take his lumps now and next season. There can be no waving of a white flag by sitting him. He either sinks or swims that's the way it's always been. I want us to defeat the Bucs and I really hope Bryce outshines Baker. The alternative is extremely depressing.

Whew buddy there is a lot to unpack with this post. You are mistaking your opinion with fact. CJ Stroud displayed indisputable arm talent at OSU. Though his supporting cast was talented he clearly did indeed elevate his receivers in college and he is doing so in Houston. The talk of needing to adjust to the speed of the game was nonsense. He looks pretty damn good with the speed of the game. In fact the one who looks the worst in that area from the draft class is Bryce Young. You do not know what CJ Stroud would look like here. I don't know either. But he is having one of the best rookie seasons ever and we passed on that. You can't revise history either pal.

All I know is if Baker Mayfield looks like the best QB on the field...oh wee mayne.

When you account for all this it is simply baffling trying to understand why this staff would have wanted to limit themselves to this with Young versus Stroud or even AR/Levis. Especially knowing you just hit reset at running back and more importantly wide receiver. This is basically the Cleveland Browns of yesteryear before they finally ended their postseason drought. And that was with bum ass Baker Mayfield.

Mac Jones is 28th in QBR Bryce Young is 29th.

Please no.

The defense has certainly taken a step back as the season went on. But are you seriously going to sit there and act like the offense has not demoralized the entire team? Multiple fumbles pick sixes endless wasted drives. That doesn't all add up? You'll throw anyone under the bus to protect Bryce. AceBoogie I got news for folks like you and Carl Spackler. That's not your baby. He's got a mommy and daddy. He doesn't need you hijacking every thread to throw yourself in front of him as a human shield. 21f33bc2-e8ea-405f-a7d7-0e31aa7d4d3c.mp4

Yeah my biggest concern in all this talk of fitting the offense to Bryce's strengths is how poorly this has worked for Mac Jones in NE. And Jones was more successful between the two at Alabama. Whether he ran it at Alabama or not you have to get Bryce running PA successfully. If he can't it does not matter who we hire from here.

What does Derrick Brown's adjustment to the NFL have to do with Bryce Young? Is DB an undersized defender with limited at best physical traits?

To a degree yes. But he also hired him in the first place and passed on Steichen over a zoom interview. If he can ever put his ego aside and hire the right people and be hands off I'll sing his praises. But he won't budge.

I went and checked the yards per pass attempt for every QB you mentioned here and the only one of them that had lower than 5-6 yards per pass attempt as a rookie or really at any point early in their careers was McNabb. Bryce is still the worst in the league in YPA and only Zach Wilson has a worse QBR. If you want to say don't write him off yet that's reasonable and I can agree with that but we don't need to cope ourselves right off a cliff comparing him to various good to great past QB's including hall of famers. That's desperation.

He's certainly tough and has been durable. But the last thing we want is Bryce Young running the football more. You want the kid to get laid out? Even Sam Darnold finally got a dose of some old fashioned wood being laid against the Falcons. How many games did he miss? Let's not tempt fate. If Bryce is going to succeed it is going to be throwing the football. That's what we want and what we all need to see.

Idk. I still have that preseason game where he dropped like what seemed like 20 passes etched in my memory banks and it was one of the most uncomfortable scenes I've ever witnessed in a football game.

Oh really? The plot thickens!

We'd be laughing our asses off if it were any other team.

It was bad no doubt. I had a fun time arguing with people who thought Cam still had something left in the tank. In fairness based on how we've seen Bryce Young perform so far I don't think he would fair any better than Cam under the same circumstances once it's clear he's past his best youthful days.

Oh don't get me wrong I agree the front office and staff are rife with incompetence and buffoonery. But at the same time we know from the mouth of David Tepper himself that he spoke to Bryce personally months before the draft and wanted him in process blue. At some point as an employee you reach an impasse where you see your boss who pays you wants a certain prospect more and you relent.

Are you seriously comparing the clearly past his best days as a passer version of Cam to Bryce? Bryce Young at 22 and Cam Newton at 22 don't even belong in the same convo.

I think most people are arguing the Tepper's were overly involved and held a level of sway over the staff. Not that they directly made the pick and no one else felt BY was worthy of the pick. They certainly showed their preference in no uncertain terms at Young's pro day.

Hey I hear you. But we all have to start somewhere. At least he wouldn't be a used car salesman from college or a dinosaur retread.

You brought up the 2018 season. We aren't talking about 31 other teams QB coaching hires. IMO Norv Turner had the significant impact on any strides Newton made in that ill fated season. He had the resume. Not his son Scott who has since taken a demotion as a passing game coordinator after getting a shot as OC the year before.

What does that even entail? Saying he was inconsistent is vague and could cover any number of aspects. Are you referring to his game to game or year to year performance as a passer? Are you referring to his effort in improving? As a passer he was up and down I've talked about this many times. But he still had the necessary phsyical requirement to put the ball wherever he wanted with the necessary velocity if his footwork was even halfway decent at the time. Honestly the only way we would have seen Cam with proper footwork play in and play out on a consistent basis throughout a season was if he basically was not a running threat. He was never going to be a pocket passer. We didn't draft him to be a pocket passer. We drafted him for his distinct phsyical abilities that he used to bully his way to a championship with Auburn. Ron Rivera even as shitty of a coach as he was at times knew this. I don't know what a strictly pocket passer version of Cam would have looked like. One thing I'll certainly acknowledge is short passes and screen passes were not his forte. But the guy was a baller in his youth. I never really expected him to play at that level deep into his thirties. He and we had our chances to maximize his time here and it didn't work out. Life goes on.