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My feed went to poo. We got stopped on 4th down?

I'd rather go defense in round 1 than draft another Alabama quarterback.

The Raiders may have overlooked us. But they are not the cellar team some talking heads are trying to label them to diminish our win. Last year they moved on from Derek Carr and then later on that same season proceeded to put up 63 points with an interim coach and Aidan O' Connell at QB. Can you even imagine us doing that in 2020 after cutting Cam? We've endured some of the lowest scoring games in franchise history just within the last season. I'll take having something to feel positive about going forward and just competitive watchable football overall 10 times out of 10.

Those games do exist I agree. Especially for us. As Panthers fans we've seen them. Sports equivalent of a fugazi. At this point I don't think we can form much of a conclusion one way or another. We need to see more games to form a true perspective. There's nothing wrong with not buying in yet based off one win. There's also nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic. For me I feel good about our chances going forward because it all starts with coaching. I really liked the way from top to bottom Canales and his staff operated and had the team motivated. Now we just need to see it replicated consistently. I do not expect to win a whole lot this season. Just give me positives and something to build on.

Yeah the issue has always been for you to maximize him he has to be the focal point and with that his touch rate is absurdly high which means you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop. All of this is why it's important to stop thinking huge investment in running back is necessary to compete. You start with the OL and QB then go from there. With CMC we had no OL and no QB. Definition of cart before the horse. Just comically mismanaged. Yeah it's funny how much people went out of their way to diminish Moore despite what he had to work with here but they learned the hard way didn't they? Jokes on them. All I can do is hope the powers that be here are learning because all they have to do is look around the league at what successful teams are doing. Keep investing in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Develop your QB's. Draft WR and RB instead of overpaying for the position. Fundamentally this really is not that difficult. The difficult part is consistently drafting well. I think the duo of Morgan and Canales has potential for staying power kind of like the pair of Beane and McDermott in Buffalo. We just need Tepper and his wife to let them do their jobs.

I've had high hopes for Mark but damn what a factory of sadness the center position has been for this team for too many years.

I'm just saying between the two obviously McCaffrey is infinitely more talented but he also has a knack for getting paid big and then getting injured and taking off to live the high life while his team is left to pick up the pieces. I would agree Moore was the most egregious of the three given what we traded and received in return and he has the highest upside given his age and health status. But even he's finding out what it's like to play in Chicago. Neither of the three were an insurmountable loss to the team. That's the truth. All that has ever mattered is that we build forward with some level of competence and develop new talent. Hopefully that's happening.

He is in no way shape or form worth that contract. But at least with Burns he generally stays healthy even if he's mediocre at best. McCaffrey gets a big new contract and immediately goes back to the same old same old. All these people that spent the last year crying about him should have known better.

It's unfortunate but guys are going to get banged up along the way it happens to every team. My expectations are the same. Just show us some fight and competitiveness through it all.

Correction since I can no longer edit now. I forgot Cam threw a short TD pass in the redzone. Adding that for clarification. Still our passing offense was anemic at best.

Look I get you are wait and see on Canales and that's perfectly fine but comparing him to Rhule is off base brother. And I do not see significant similarities to the Arizona win from 2021. They honestly are strikingly different. All you have to do is dig into the numbers. Our starting QB that game was PJ Walker who had 167 passing yards on 29 attempts with no touchdowns and one INT. Cam attempted 4 passes for 8 yards. Not one single passing touchdown in that blowout win. By comparison we had 166 rushing yards and one of those touchdowns was Cam's "I'm back!!!" run for a score. Looking at that game obviously it was a mirage and not sustainable because it is a passing league. If that game compares to any other I would say it would be the Lions win with Wilks. Now look at the Raiders win. 319 passing yards 3 passing touchdowns 114 rushing yards from Chuba 1 rushing touchdown from Miles Sanders. That's a balanced offense. That's what we've been asking for going on years now. But I will agree with you they absolutely do need to prove it wasn't a one off and build from that win. I'd love to see it. We'll just have to wait and find out.

Giants never should have given him that deal. But if he's a bust with all those tools then the Panthers need to be paying attention and learn. Do not repeat others mistakes. I worry they are caving to some of the public criticism and want to give Bryce another opportunity because they are scared of him going somewhere else and looking capable ie Darnold and Baker. To me there is only one path forward. Andy finishes the season. We draft another QB. If for some reason Young stays he competes with the others in camp and if he looks like he has put in no work and has not made any progress show his ass the door immediately. The Panthers need to stop messing around and start looking like a professional sports franchise already.

I agree with you but like Darnold the biggest thing Jones has going for him is he has all the physical intangibles. 6'5 230 as well. I'm not arguing he's good or he ever will be. But there is at least some kind of justification. With us there's nothing and the QB we traded up for is one of the least physically gifted QB's in the league. He is in no way shape or form a processing savant as advertised either. If the decision makers decided to give him more leash I'll probably stop watching. Cannot tolerate anymore coddling.

Congrats to #14 and the rest of the offense. Had no clue that no Panthers QB had won the award before. I could have sworn Cam did at least once. Keep cooking Andy

If you guys suddenly want to have super high standards that's good to hear. But it's a bit jarring to see folks who made endless excuses for Bryce Young playing horribly now dismissing Diontae Johnson playing really well with Andy Dalton.

I completely agree the bottom of the roster and depth is the opposite of ideal. This is where our new front office and coaching staff come in to play and we can begin to assess them as the season progresses. For me as a fan I just am tired of this hit dog mentality where we expect just because some unforseen event happens we should tumble down to the league doormat. No. Good teams across the league lose talent to different circumstances and still find ways to at least be somewhat competitive. That's because they have competent management and coaching. That's where I want to see the Panthers in time.

As far as Canales and preseason goes I think he already knew what was on the horizon with BY. He was looking at the same thing we were all through camp. When your #1 pick is throwing no look picks into double coverage in the middle of the field in camp and then just sinking his shoulders and walking away like he wants to be anywhere else there's nothing any coach can do for that. The team sees it too and from there that's a wrap. I understand where you're coming from about his fit with BY. But for me I never looked at it from a perspective of he has to fix Bryce Young. I said all along come in see what you've got try to work with him and whatever happens we go from there. I've always said he needs to be given the opportunity to get and develop his own guy or guys until we identify the rookie he wants to develop. I completely agree about the offensive development of our young core. That's my silver lining for this season. If we can successfully do that then I will feel pretty good heading into next season. Other than that my expectations are still low. Just give me some competitive football.

I think it's important to differentiate lack of culture from lack of talent. Do we need more talent? On the defensive side clearly. As we took resources from that side of the ball to rebuild our offensive line. But that had to be done. Saying we are not the least talented doesn't equate to saying we are suddenly a "good" team. It's simply an acknowledgement that even in our current state of rebuilding our roster especially on the defensive side we can still compete. To that end that is why we hired someone like Evero and why we've made it a point to retain his services. There are 14 more games worth of ups and downs for us to explore I accept we will inevitably stumble again at some point all I ask for is to continue being competitive and shedding this loser mentality that has become pervasive within the franchise.

I mean in fairness you've been badmouthing Canales for weeks and you're talking about others swinging too hard one way. Just a smidge hypocritical no? Anywho I think the majority of people know we are not "very good". But we are also by far not the worst team in the league or the least talented team in the league. We went on the road and showed that we can compete at a high level. That's all anyone has asked for. To your point there is overall validity to it. We should take things with a grain of salt for the time being regarding our overall season outlook based off one win. But we also should give the coaches and the team a little grace to continue to build on this. We can be both complimentary and critical if needed when the time comes just as we always have.

YES! I'm so excited for him. It's a bummer about AT but to see young guys like Coker get a legit look is awesome.

In the span of one week with him on the bench we have gone from the worst team in the league the first 2 games to one of the best offenses in the league even the defense looked better. Morale was up across the board. To currently believe (given all we now know) that he will undoubtedly go on to become a top QB on his next team without question just to spite us is not a take that exists within the bounds of reality.

The locker room said all there is to say on the field against the Raiders. Get what you can get and move on.

He's fun to watch I hope he does well. Also good to see the Bears pulling a Panthers and letting the best QB of the class go right after their pick. On another note. Panthers fans know better than anyone what it ends with when your franchise QB takes too many unnecessary hits no matter how big he is. It takes an accumulative toll. His coaches better address that before they get him banged up or worse. Also see AR.

Credit where it's due to Morgan and Canales had his input as well I'm sure.