frankw

Respectfully disagree. If you give the MVP to anyone on the 49ers it's Kyle Shanahan. McCaffrey looks like a new man and is having the career resurgence other former Panthers have had because of Shanahan and he has been motivated and also reinvigorated by being removed from the team. It's just like when we cut Steve Smith. I don't think you get the 49ers version of CMC or the Ravens version of 89 without the trade or the release. Both were burned out by the awfulness of the Panthers by the end.

Quality post kind sir.

No point arguing who is worse. All meddlers all awful. Being in that company is all that needs to be said.

Unfortunately this wasn't off the mark. Even more unfortunate this is even a step down from Bridgewater. We can talk about the calls we can talk about the scheme we can talk about the receivers we can talk about Reich. But 35 year old Andy Dalton was out there slinging it in hostile territory in Seattle.

Obviously no one here is in the room with our front office and we cannot confirm. But Tepper is on video saying he told Bryce Young about 8 months ago we wanted him. Once Tepper and Nicole showed up to Bryce's proday and embraced him all odds of him as the pick began shifting overwhelmingly to Bryce Young. If your boss and his wife love the kid who the hell are you to say no? It's obvious at this point based on the Matt Rhule hire that David Tepper is very hands on. He's in and on the phone in like every behind the scenes videos of our picks getting phone calls on draft night even the failed long snapper we drafted (lol). He made zero attempt to confer or even speak to anyone with years of NFL experience before hopping on his jet with Marty Hurney and swooning over Matt Rhule. Clearly he meddles.

Well now that you mention that. We as Panthers fans have taken glee in watching Rhule look bad since we fired him. We did the same with Ron Rivera for a time. Then we came to the realization that all we've done since firing him is hire downgrades. Maybe it's time we worry about our own backyard so to speak. Matt Rhule was and stil is laughing all the way to the bank. The breadcrumbs of this disaster all lead to David Tepper.

People are still blaming Matt Rhule? Stockholm Syndrome...

Absolutely all true. But I fear it boils down to something even worse. The Tepper's overruled and steered the pick toward Bryce Young.

He's one of the few players that seems to give a poo from what I've seen. But with the way our offense has looked and the number of wasted drives I would not blame him or anyone else on the defense if they stopped giving full effort as the game goes on. You have to reward your defense. We have probably the worst offense in the league.

Hmm who else on the Panthers can we blame for this passing chart?

I can't speak for others but the last thing I want is to be proven right about Bryce Young. And I was for Stroud. I want a franchise QB I would accept whomever short small big tall just give me a winner. But the folks who are now looking down on others for expressing legitimate concern about his viability as a franchise QB are not helping matters either. This is not a good time for anyone. And to be clear. We all make mistakes and plenty of people have been wrong about draft picks over the years. Even people like Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly who have been vocally pro Bryce Young. No one is perfect. Honestly if we were a fan of any other team we would be laughing at the fact this is even a debate. This whole debacle as worse than I could have expected. It's very unfortunate. I do not wish any ill on any player coach or front office member beyond criticism of the team. But for a product that is marketed and sold to fanbases and after all the money these teams get from cities across the country for these expensive stadiums I think online criticism is the least people with the Panthers should be worried about. This is a business as the saying goes or so I've been told over and over and over by Panthers fans.

OP this is you.

I agree it's toxic now. But what else would it be given the circumstances given our losing history and what we gave up to pick #1 with an 0-4 start? This kid was mentioned in the same breath as Drew Brees Steph Curry and even Michael Jordan at one point by people here. You couldn't say anything perceived to burst a bubble or you just didn't know football. Now the shoe is on the other foot and people want the place cleaned up. Sounds hypocritical.

Some of the loudest pro Bryce Young folks who talked down to other people months back are now ready to leave the huddle because they don't like what they're reading now. Ironic.

Haha yeah let's blame the fans for the team having 7 winning seasons in three decades.

This "but if they played on the Panthers they would suck" coping mechanism is peak Carolina Panthers fanbase vibes.

CJ Stroud with a 52 yard bomb as his team is blowing out the Steelers who we couldn't even hang with at home last season lol Keep coping about Bryce Young ya'll.

0-4 sorry no safe space here.

Affirmative.

If you're trading up to #1 and giving up significant resources take the best passer available not the guy who skipped the combine and didn't look good at his proday. We played ourselves.

It's nice to live a fantasy but it's looking like we just picked the wrong QB.

The only positive from this debacle is somewhere Mr. Brass Balls who totally doesn't meddle David Tepper is mad as hell and embarrassed. He won't show his face for some time. Hopefully his wife won't either.

If he does this game it will be from Shenault on screen passes. This passing offense is booty. It should not be that much better with 35 year old Andy Dalton.

This offense is a combination of things but people have got to stop acting like this kid wasn't hyped to be a smaller Drew Brees. This is going as bad as it possibly could.

We couldn't possibly blame the guy who had the ball in his hands right?