frankw

Listen to the way he talks. "I've been involved in trades before". We are simply doomed with this man and his wife cosplaying as NFL decision makers.

The bolded is really all we need to say and we agree on that. When you have a gifted passer he might make some mistakes along the way but eventually it's going to open up the rest of your offense. We both know Fitterer should be gone. But you would be hard pressed to have found many huddlers here back in late April who would have told you the Texans GM was one of the best in the league and we had assembled a skill position group that is one of the worst in the league. I think the success of Caserio boils down to the first part of my post. When you select a franchise QB it's easier for other pieces to fall right into place. But. It's still early for both franchises. It's a year to year process and one or two bad moves can send you back to square one. We'll see.

And it's cute people keep running around spamming the number of picks CJ Stroud threw but blamed anyone they could think of for Bryce Young throwing 2 pick sixes to the same defender in one game. I honestly wouldn't be that mad if Bryce were turning the ball over pushing downfield but he's thrown some awful stinkers just not seeing the field and Dalton had almost just as many deep completions as Bryce has all season. You can have honest conversations about the differences between CJ and Bryce but the self deception is unnecessary.

I like you Jimmy but this right here negates anything else you said and frankly just sounds like something poundaway would say. They have 71 more rushing yards on the season than us. Their run game just had their first big day and it only took half a season.

This is a legitimate criticism. But do you realize that's Bryce Young's game? We run so much shotgun because that's all they ran for him at Alabama. Reich and the offensive staff are poo but they constructed this offense around Young's supposed strengths. We have to take Bryce off the field on QB sneaks. Our offense is limited with him. We can eviscerate the staff all we want for scheme and playcalling but they did this to themselves selecting Young.

The Texans are 25th in the NFL in rushing YPG we are 27th. Stop. Coping.

"Including Nicole Tepper"

I totally hear you. The best thing I can say to all this is it is a good idea to try and detach the people posting in favor of Bryce to illogical lengths from Bryce himself. I think he can still be a good QB for us at least to salvage this whole thing. I'm trying to be fair to Bryce the person and not hold these takes about him and Stroud against him as a player. It isn't his fault we drafted him to these circumstances and told Shane Steichen to kick rocks. All that being said he is being paid quite significantly and we don't need to baby him. He's going to come out from this whole thing that much tougher and wiser or it will go the other direction. I very much hope it's the former.

Before and after the draft the Texans were not predicted to be a competitive team at all. Many assumed they would be heading to another top ten pick to load up and build around Stroud while he learns and inevitably struggles. That hasn't happened so the goal posts have shifted to they are bursting at the seams with elite talent. When in fact it is both Stroud very good coaching and some talent being maximized by the first two that have them looking the way they are competitively. I actually logged on here with the intention of bringing some clarity to the Bryce Young situation and the criticism that has been laid at the feet of this kid and this thread eliminated that entirely. The coping mechanisms here are killing natural discourse as much as anything else. My goodness just stop.

If you keep Fitterer he is going to trade more assets to try and save himself so the argument that you are leaving a new regime a whole pie in 2025 doesn't hold up. Somewhere down the line Scott will do something dumb.

Icky is definitely having a sophomore slump but I can't say how much of that is him or the offense we've constructed. As for last year our shotgun percentage was 54%. Being as we are barely halfway through the season there isn't much statistical data on our shotgun vs under center snap counts but I can tell you what I'm seeing with my own eyes and the type of offense Alabama ran with Bryce. We run a fug ton from the shotgun. Our offense scored the most points it has all season with old ass Andy Dalton taking snaps from under center and opening up the offense with play action. If you want to dismiss it by all means that's your prerogative. But it's an issue that's going to continue.

There are factors not helping the oline that are directly impacted by the offense we have built around Bryce Young to fit his strengths. Such as the fact virtually all of our plays are out of the shotgun because he does not take snaps from center. That removes play action it makes the job of the defense easier and it can't be helping our run game either. We are predictable for that reason as much as we are poor playcalling. We knew of what these limitations of Bryce Young were when we drafted him. As for the defense we couldn't reach the end zone against the second worst team in the league maybe we should worry about the O first.

I misread the thread title initially but the point remains. I'd pay to watch the Hornets before the Panthers right now and get better seats for the money too.

You aren't the purest Panthers fan in the Carolinas because you lick boots.

The sad truth is even if Fitterer is fired David Tepper will just hire another pal/yes man as GM to replace him.

Hurney was atrocious in many ways but for that moment that was an extremely important crossroads in franchise history he shut out the noise and made his pick a slam dunk. If a lot of people on the carolina huddle had their way we would have drafted Marcell Dareus.

What a ridiculous comparison. If people are still groaning about it years from now okay go off but the draft was just in April. And furthermore these two guys are going to have their careers connected for a long time you might as well get accustomed to it or just disconnect.

I'm not fairweather I'll watch and if I can't I'll check in on the score regardless. Besides I enjoy a good shitshow it makes you appreciate other things.

How can anyone know this?

I never said you or the other guy are stupid. I was referring to the logic. It is rather stupid. Just to make that perfectly clear so there are no hurt feelings. But to be clear if we are wanting to be delicate about use of language then the suggestion that others are not being objective because they are here presenting inconvenient truths about Bryce Young isn't any better. It's just a nicer way of saying people are biased and want the team to be bad which is silly. If we start picking and choosing plays to form a narrative there's no point of dialogue here. I cannot express that enough. If we disagree so be it there is no further left for us to go agree to disagree.

What kind of absurd logic is this? You know you could play this game for any QB ever right? We could even apply this ridiculous logic to many of Cam Newton's best highlights and point out how the defender fuged up so it doesn't actually matter. Do you see how stupid this is? Like this is one of the worst takes I've ever seen. And yet in this very thread we have people suggesting there is a lack of objectivity on this subject. This is downright comical.

Dalton is G-A-R-B-A-G-E. Both he and Sam Darnold hold the distinction of having one of the ten worst all time single game passer ratings in NFL history. Our #1 pick should be at bare minimum a push by comparison.

So you want to "take away" plays for one QB to fit your narrative but make excuses for the other QB? This is why we cannot have productive discussion about our #1 pick.

Explain why the offense looked so much better and performed the best it has with Andy Dalton? Why wasn't the oline the weapons and the coaching complete garbage from top to botton for that one? That's still our highest scoring game.

Sam Howell has been sacked about twice as much as Young and he's still one of the better passers in the league. We can acknowledge there are extenuating circumstances while also realizing our #1 pick simply has not lived up to expectations either. That's got to change regardless of the oline the receivers or a new staff.