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The defense has certainly taken a step back as the season went on. But are you seriously going to sit there and act like the offense has not demoralized the entire team? Multiple fumbles pick sixes endless wasted drives. That doesn't all add up? You'll throw anyone under the bus to protect Bryce. AceBoogie I got news for folks like you and Carl Spackler. That's not your baby. He's got a mommy and daddy. He doesn't need you hijacking every thread to throw yourself in front of him as a human shield. 21f33bc2-e8ea-405f-a7d7-0e31aa7d4d3c.mp4

Yeah my biggest concern in all this talk of fitting the offense to Bryce's strengths is how poorly this has worked for Mac Jones in NE. And Jones was more successful between the two at Alabama. Whether he ran it at Alabama or not you have to get Bryce running PA successfully. If he can't it does not matter who we hire from here.

What does Derrick Brown's adjustment to the NFL have to do with Bryce Young? Is DB an undersized defender with limited at best physical traits?

To a degree yes. But he also hired him in the first place and passed on Steichen over a zoom interview. If he can ever put his ego aside and hire the right people and be hands off I'll sing his praises. But he won't budge.

I went and checked the yards per pass attempt for every QB you mentioned here and the only one of them that had lower than 5-6 yards per pass attempt as a rookie or really at any point early in their careers was McNabb. Bryce is still the worst in the league in YPA and only Zach Wilson has a worse QBR. If you want to say don't write him off yet that's reasonable and I can agree with that but we don't need to cope ourselves right off a cliff comparing him to various good to great past QB's including hall of famers. That's desperation.

He's certainly tough and has been durable. But the last thing we want is Bryce Young running the football more. You want the kid to get laid out? Even Sam Darnold finally got a dose of some old fashioned wood being laid against the Falcons. How many games did he miss? Let's not tempt fate. If Bryce is going to succeed it is going to be throwing the football. That's what we want and what we all need to see.

Idk. I still have that preseason game where he dropped like what seemed like 20 passes etched in my memory banks and it was one of the most uncomfortable scenes I've ever witnessed in a football game.

Oh really? The plot thickens!

We'd be laughing our asses off if it were any other team.

It was bad no doubt. I had a fun time arguing with people who thought Cam still had something left in the tank. In fairness based on how we've seen Bryce Young perform so far I don't think he would fair any better than Cam under the same circumstances once it's clear he's past his best youthful days.

Oh don't get me wrong I agree the front office and staff are rife with incompetence and buffoonery. But at the same time we know from the mouth of David Tepper himself that he spoke to Bryce personally months before the draft and wanted him in process blue. At some point as an employee you reach an impasse where you see your boss who pays you wants a certain prospect more and you relent.

Are you seriously comparing the clearly past his best days as a passer version of Cam to Bryce? Bryce Young at 22 and Cam Newton at 22 don't even belong in the same convo.

I think most people are arguing the Tepper's were overly involved and held a level of sway over the staff. Not that they directly made the pick and no one else felt BY was worthy of the pick. They certainly showed their preference in no uncertain terms at Young's pro day.

Hey I hear you. But we all have to start somewhere. At least he wouldn't be a used car salesman from college or a dinosaur retread.

You brought up the 2018 season. We aren't talking about 31 other teams QB coaching hires. IMO Norv Turner had the significant impact on any strides Newton made in that ill fated season. He had the resume. Not his son Scott who has since taken a demotion as a passing game coordinator after getting a shot as OC the year before.

What does that even entail? Saying he was inconsistent is vague and could cover any number of aspects. Are you referring to his game to game or year to year performance as a passer? Are you referring to his effort in improving? As a passer he was up and down I've talked about this many times. But he still had the necessary phsyical requirement to put the ball wherever he wanted with the necessary velocity if his footwork was even halfway decent at the time. Honestly the only way we would have seen Cam with proper footwork play in and play out on a consistent basis throughout a season was if he basically was not a running threat. He was never going to be a pocket passer. We didn't draft him to be a pocket passer. We drafted him for his distinct phsyical abilities that he used to bully his way to a championship with Auburn. Ron Rivera even as shitty of a coach as he was at times knew this. I don't know what a strictly pocket passer version of Cam would have looked like. One thing I'll certainly acknowledge is short passes and screen passes were not his forte. But the guy was a baller in his youth. I never really expected him to play at that level deep into his thirties. He and we had our chances to maximize his time here and it didn't work out. Life goes on.

Johnson or Slowik.

Unfortunately I can believe this. His ego is that big.

So who was doing the coaching there was it the former HC and the OC Norv Turner or was it his son a nepotism hire? Offensive coordinator is the key!

Oh don't even try me on that stan nonsense. I got quite a lot of poo reactions here from people when I stated unequivocally multiple times that Cam's arm was not the same and he was clearly done as a starter in this league. We navigated the process of moving on from him as poorly as possible however and we have been flailing ever since. I'll argue that until the end of my days. Cam never reached his full ceiling because of his own pride and a choice to simply get by on his sheer phsyicality. He did let us down in the Super Bowl though he was certainly not alone in that. But until we see another MVP for this franchise I will remain in my position that I will speak up on his behalf because certainly more often than not he made football enjoyable and he brought a culture and aura to this franchise that has clearly been extinguished. My guy. Norv was the OC. Scott Turner who still pretty much had Enfamil on his breath was the QB coach.

The only reason Cam is even being discussed here is because he was mentioned as a defense mechanism. Then folks like you want to turn around and diminish him. You honestly deserve a bust QB.

If you trade up for a QB at first overall and you are not getting a player with any level of that ability or elevating the moving parts around him then you made a bad trade that's the unfortunate reality of our situation. What we are left with now is salvaging this. I think we're moving around all over the place here. How is Hurts doing this year without last years OC Steichen? Up and down at best right? The NFC is ripe for the taking for anyone. The Eagles and the 49ers are the cream of the crop and they are certainly beatable. It's funny you mention Goff. He was Stroud's ceiling comp often leading up the draft. Now look at how he's doing. I am not saying QB coach does not matter at all. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it. But a QB coach is not a magician or a witch doctor. He cannot alter the phsycial make up or limitations of the player. He can only work with what he has. Take Bryce Young's footwork for example. He has these habits that he's created the last few years that are centered around helping him compensate for his height and to see the field. That is not something any coach is going to be able to change in relatively short time. And with this OL? Good fuging luck right? Our best hope is to lure Ben Johnson and throw a ransom at him. And if we can't get him then throw everything we have at Bobby Slowik possibly. I can't keep arguing about all this. I want the same thing you and the other guy want. I want Bryce Young to succeed here. I do not want to have traded DJ Moore for a failure. But I am not going to bury my head in the sand in the meantime. I will speak on what I see good or bad. Enjoy your day fellas.

Cam was up and down at times no doubt but he is the only MVP in team history for a reason. He still gave us hope more often than not and he was vilified for despising losing early on often regarded as a sore loser. Give me a sore loser any day of the week. I'd argue offensive coordinator and particularly head coach is more important. Mike Shula despite how much many of us despised the man did more for Cam than his QB coach. And Ron Rivera would have been fired by season 2 if not for Cam's heroics that often lifted the team. At the end of the day my point was simple. Regardless of the QB coach the player he is tasked with working and developing still has to have to prerequisite phsyical traits to succeed at this level. Cam had them. CJ Stroud has them. Does Bryce Young?

I got the complete opposite. He took a press conference following the firing of yet another head coach only 11 games into the first season in the midst of one of the most disastrous seasons in team history and used it as an opportunity to once again blovate and toot his own horn about his knowledge of running a professional football operation. He dodged the subject of Fitterer. I didn't get any level of humility or possible inkling of a willingness to cede any level of power to an outsider to run the operation for him. This was absolutely more of the same.

People are really in here trying to run interference for Tepper after that mess lol