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I think most people are arguing the Tepper's were overly involved and held a level of sway over the staff. Not that they directly made the pick and no one else felt BY was worthy of the pick. They certainly showed their preference in no uncertain terms at Young's pro day.

Hey I hear you. But we all have to start somewhere. At least he wouldn't be a used car salesman from college or a dinosaur retread.

You brought up the 2018 season. We aren't talking about 31 other teams QB coaching hires. IMO Norv Turner had the significant impact on any strides Newton made in that ill fated season. He had the resume. Not his son Scott who has since taken a demotion as a passing game coordinator after getting a shot as OC the year before.

What does that even entail? Saying he was inconsistent is vague and could cover any number of aspects. Are you referring to his game to game or year to year performance as a passer? Are you referring to his effort in improving? As a passer he was up and down I've talked about this many times. But he still had the necessary phsyical requirement to put the ball wherever he wanted with the necessary velocity if his footwork was even halfway decent at the time. Honestly the only way we would have seen Cam with proper footwork play in and play out on a consistent basis throughout a season was if he basically was not a running threat. He was never going to be a pocket passer. We didn't draft him to be a pocket passer. We drafted him for his distinct phsyical abilities that he used to bully his way to a championship with Auburn. Ron Rivera even as shitty of a coach as he was at times knew this. I don't know what a strictly pocket passer version of Cam would have looked like. One thing I'll certainly acknowledge is short passes and screen passes were not his forte. But the guy was a baller in his youth. I never really expected him to play at that level deep into his thirties. He and we had our chances to maximize his time here and it didn't work out. Life goes on.

Johnson or Slowik.

Unfortunately I can believe this. His ego is that big.

So who was doing the coaching there was it the former HC and the OC Norv Turner or was it his son a nepotism hire? Offensive coordinator is the key!

Oh don't even try me on that stan nonsense. I got quite a lot of poo reactions here from people when I stated unequivocally multiple times that Cam's arm was not the same and he was clearly done as a starter in this league. We navigated the process of moving on from him as poorly as possible however and we have been flailing ever since. I'll argue that until the end of my days. Cam never reached his full ceiling because of his own pride and a choice to simply get by on his sheer phsyicality. He did let us down in the Super Bowl though he was certainly not alone in that. But until we see another MVP for this franchise I will remain in my position that I will speak up on his behalf because certainly more often than not he made football enjoyable and he brought a culture and aura to this franchise that has clearly been extinguished. My guy. Norv was the OC. Scott Turner who still pretty much had Enfamil on his breath was the QB coach.

The only reason Cam is even being discussed here is because he was mentioned as a defense mechanism. Then folks like you want to turn around and diminish him. You honestly deserve a bust QB.

If you trade up for a QB at first overall and you are not getting a player with any level of that ability or elevating the moving parts around him then you made a bad trade that's the unfortunate reality of our situation. What we are left with now is salvaging this. I think we're moving around all over the place here. How is Hurts doing this year without last years OC Steichen? Up and down at best right? The NFC is ripe for the taking for anyone. The Eagles and the 49ers are the cream of the crop and they are certainly beatable. It's funny you mention Goff. He was Stroud's ceiling comp often leading up the draft. Now look at how he's doing. I am not saying QB coach does not matter at all. I don't know why I have to keep repeating it. But a QB coach is not a magician or a witch doctor. He cannot alter the phsycial make up or limitations of the player. He can only work with what he has. Take Bryce Young's footwork for example. He has these habits that he's created the last few years that are centered around helping him compensate for his height and to see the field. That is not something any coach is going to be able to change in relatively short time. And with this OL? Good fuging luck right? Our best hope is to lure Ben Johnson and throw a ransom at him. And if we can't get him then throw everything we have at Bobby Slowik possibly. I can't keep arguing about all this. I want the same thing you and the other guy want. I want Bryce Young to succeed here. I do not want to have traded DJ Moore for a failure. But I am not going to bury my head in the sand in the meantime. I will speak on what I see good or bad. Enjoy your day fellas.

Cam was up and down at times no doubt but he is the only MVP in team history for a reason. He still gave us hope more often than not and he was vilified for despising losing early on often regarded as a sore loser. Give me a sore loser any day of the week. I'd argue offensive coordinator and particularly head coach is more important. Mike Shula despite how much many of us despised the man did more for Cam than his QB coach. And Ron Rivera would have been fired by season 2 if not for Cam's heroics that often lifted the team. At the end of the day my point was simple. Regardless of the QB coach the player he is tasked with working and developing still has to have to prerequisite phsyical traits to succeed at this level. Cam had them. CJ Stroud has them. Does Bryce Young?

I got the complete opposite. He took a press conference following the firing of yet another head coach only 11 games into the first season in the midst of one of the most disastrous seasons in team history and used it as an opportunity to once again blovate and toot his own horn about his knowledge of running a professional football operation. He dodged the subject of Fitterer. I didn't get any level of humility or possible inkling of a willingness to cede any level of power to an outsider to run the operation for him. This was absolutely more of the same.

People are really in here trying to run interference for Tepper after that mess lol

That's why I said in his prime. Clearly once those physical gifts began to diminish he was unable to adjust. Time is undefeated. I've already acknowledged one of the biggest things that could have changed his career was better footwork. But regardless Cam showed from game one of the regular season that he belonged in the league. That is what you want and expect to see from a #1 pick.

For folks arguing Tepper doesn't meddle and he and his wife had no part in pushing for Bryce Young.

Cope gonna cope. Moving beyond the pick it's crystal clear Tepper has not changed one iota. If anything this has made him dig in even deeper. He is not giving up any level of control of this franchise. We are going to see things done his way even if it ends in turmoil yet again.

Yeah I don't see any way you can come out of this press conference not thinking Tepper in all likelihood pushed for Bryce Young.

They won't. If this were NY or west coast the knives would be out.

There are a few things I can appreciate such as acknowledging fans frustration. On the whole though I'm seeing the same old Tepper thinking he knows everything. He speaks of various aspects of a football operation as if he has been successfully doing this for decades. Nothing changing there he still thinks he and only he knows how to fix this.

Bruv you missed the whole boat lol Still have some

This is from a press conference when Wilks was the interim apparently.

Also since you want to drag Cam Newton into this (getting really old btw) what exactly did Ken Dorsey do for Cam? Did his footwork ever improve? It didn't matter while he was in his prime because Cam was one of the most phsyically gifted quarterbacks in history. Dorsey should be thanking Newton now until the day he dies for what he did to open doors for him despite being little more than a cheerleader. We see where he is now.

One season as a quality control assistant one season as an assistant QB coach. What a resume! The difference folks with blinders here don't want to admit is the QB he has had to work with had all the necessary physical tools for a franchise QB and every bit of that has successfully translated. Bryce Young? Crickets.

Earlier in the season before this offense killed the spirit of the locker room Brown was one of the few Panthers players showing heart and emotion. He is absolutely part of our future going forward.