frankw

These conversations aren't limited to the carolinahuddle folks. Try venturing outside the echo chamber.

Oh please with the wallowing in victimhood I'm going to take my ball and go home routine. You were just in here referring to people as super weird haters because they don't completely agree with your borderline delusional spin on what Bryce Young is and isn't as a fourth year starter. We can hope by some miracle that Bryce Young will actually be able to lead a formidable passing offense this season without being irrational homers and pretending verfiable data and what we have seen with our own two eyes doesn't tell us exactly what he has been to this point which is someone who moves the ball at a historically low rate.

I detest the Saints and their fans. Different POV's come to different conclusions. Some will use this as an opportunity to say people are complementing the Saints. Which is obviously just silly. Others will see this as an instance of sobering reflection on just how comically downbad our passing offense has become in the Bryce Young era. Some can choose to bury their heads in the sand like they're in a cult and others can choose to embrace reality. I approach this season the same as I have any other season in Panthers fandom over the last few decades. Hoping for the best and perhaps a miraculous surprise but preparing for more of the same.

0-2 against the Saints with 285 combined passing yards 1 TD 1 INT in 8 quarters. Meanwhile Shough had 554 combined passing yards 3 TD's and no turnovers. Shough in 4 quarters basically matched Bryce's yardage from 2 whole games. You can't cope yourself out of that. And this is a Saints team that has been in a perpetual rebuild for years now starting a rookie 2nd round pick behind center. Yuck.

At the end of the day you're only dying on this hill about them being the best ever because you are trying to run cover for Bryce Young's historically dreadful passing perfomance against them. You aren't fooling anyone with this shtick. We've seen it before. But you keep on keeping on.

I hope Chuba Hubbard is a man on a mission in the weight room this summer. Without a stout run game we are DOA with this lineup of opponents.

I don't go in for the draft crush stuff because it usually just ends up in people going off the deep end for "their guy". Surprisingly our OL staff has been pretty impressive the last few years. Don't see any point to be pessimistic about Freeling until we get to see him with some development under his belt in the summer. Either way for the long term the most logical reasoning dictates we made the most sensible investment with the pick given the plethora of circumstances that has revolved around our OL for years now.

I mean there is relevance to that. But I think much of it has to do with the fact that he is clearly likeable. But does that translate to a coach taking his position to the next level like those that have had staying power for many years like Spoelstra? And not for nothing but does how much someone is liked even matter? Across leagues with the Panthers Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney were universally well liked by players. Dave Canales is very well liked. I say you are what your record says. And the record says you got your ass handed to you by a fellow expansion team in the Magic in a game that was over at halftime and that same team went toe to toe with our nemesis who has been handing us L's for over a year now. And if Bam doesn't get his leg swept by LaMelo do we even get past the Heat? Again. It just all boils down to personal standards. I think newer and younger fans will love this. I just want to actually win a real playoff game fam

I like Charles Lee from a personal standpoint but in terms of perfomance man this franchise has LOW standards. Borrego all over again.

People really need to stop placing Dan Morgan on some kind of infallible pedestal. He is absolutely in lockstop with Tepper regarding Bryce and has been all along. As far as the team being okay with 185 passing yards per game. We better have a proven monster RB in our backfield then. Presently that guy is not on the roster. Chuba has one outlier season so far and the other guys have proven nothing. Not what you would call a great recipe. The only thing we can hope at this juncture is that the highest paid OL in the league for the second year in a row elevates their play from last season and opens up some massive holes even our RB's can get through. But it still doesn't resolve the issue of predictability. With no viable passing game it is much easier to shut down any run game. No defenses are scared of Bryce's arm. It is what it is.

Bryce is undoubtedly mediocre to average at best in processing and decision making. He is in no way shape or form some mini Peyton Manning or a mental savant. And it is absurdly insulting that people are still simultaneously pretending otherwise while insinuating other QB's are basically mental midgets. Like man someone has to be really damn dug in to come post something like that 4 years in. The cope is real folks.

Zion would be an insane gamble from both a maturity standpoint and an availability standpoint. He has only played 17 more games than LaMelo since 2022.

I agree. I understand why he did though. And surely he had his parents in his ear who have always gone out of their way to make sure he always had the best and the least amount of adversity around him to that point in his life advising him to do so. Where I take the most issue with it is when people who just want to be sycophants start listing off other QB's who didn't throw at the combine and you don't even make it through half the names before your eyes roll right into the back of your head realizing every single of those QB's who didn't throw already clearly showcased the necessary prerequisite physical talents needed for the position.

The NFL is a fickle beast. There have been some very talented players who could not sustain their previous success even with the necessary physical traits. He would just end up one more in a long line. But you are correct. When you are targeting a specific position if you are operating with the necessary number of functioning brain cells you should always covet and prioritize the players who showed up the most against the best most pro ready competition. Not fawn over the prospects who spent the bulk of their career shellacking smaller college programs who basically operate out of a large closet space.

I tend to think the Panthers used up their one fleece pass when we got a 4th for Mingo from the Cowboys. I cannot imagine the market for Legette is higher than a 6th. Which makes it pointless to move him. See how he responds this season and go forward accordingly in the offseason.

I'm open to any and all trade options as long as we are pursuing a legit shot creator. Tired of watching dudes chuck up bricks.

I mean I get that and agree to a point. He's a very likeable guy by all accounts he's a good teammate he's an excellent dinner guest etc. As amusing as it would be to have him fleece the Tepper's for a number of years it's not fair to the rest of the roster and eventually would result in a fracture in the locker room. Nor is it reasonable given the amount of tax dollars that go into the venue which the Panthers play. Of which the tax payers footing the bill share zero ownership. So in that regard not much in the way of parallels to harmless albeit cookie cutter country music singers.

Ultimately this just amounts to heavy revisionist history. I mean you aren't talking to someone that just popped out the womb a week ago. I was here all throughout the predraft process. The overwhelming majority of the fanbase felt like this was a fine situation and the best situation for a rookie QB to go to compared to Houston for example. The hype for Young and our "rockstar" staff was off the charts. No one could dare speak cautious skepticism of his abilities or they would be neg repped into oblivion. Only after he had one of statistical worst rookie seasons of the last 25 years did we get this narrative now that his rookie season actually shouldn't count. Complete malarkey if you ask me.

So "best defense ever" or nah?

Don't get your hopes up. I doubt we're lucky enough or relevant enough for that to happen. He's already been getting paid for several tiers below mediocre journalism. He's probably just taking time off and they genuinely don't even care because it's the Panthers.

The plus side is it is entertaining watching the Tepper's and their planetary sized egos burn through millions trying and failing to make their version of the Panthers successful.

In his 3rd season he barely edged out rookie Joe Flacco and 2nd year QB Christian Ponder. Magnificent.

38 year old Matthew Stafford put up a combined 831 yards and 6 touchdowns in two games in December and January against the greatest defense in the history of the galaxy. The 2025 Seahawks defense would have gotten lit tf up by the elite QB's of the 2010's if a guy pushing 40 can give them fits like that.

These casual social media fans need to study and understand football that existed before 5 or 10 years ago before going around throwing around best of all time awards.

TE in this offense is largely pointless anyways. Even if we had a coach who valued receiving TE's more we do not have a QB whose skillset centers around maximizing the middle of the field. It's actually one of his weakest areas. Njoku would just end up disgruntled here.