frankw

I don't mean to come down on you individually here. But I have to say. Please for the love of anything sacred can you and others stop with this idiotic cope? The Houston Texans regardless of the struggles they dealt with in 2024 have made the playoffs and won a playoff game in back to back seasons after being one play away from the first overall pick in 2022. Our Panthers haven't made the playoffs since 2017. We have got to stop carrying water for these decision makers here in Carolina and trying to diminish other franchises. Nobody in this organization has earned even a shred of benefit of the doubt.

And the truth of the matter is we gave up 35 passing touchdowns and quite a bit of that was our 100 million dollar CB getting eaten up.

You don't have to sell anyone that our run defense needs fixing. But we don't have to draft project defensive linemen at 8th overall to address our deficiencies. Some people here just live to shine shoes.

I still can't forget all the poo some people talked about DJ Moore for years. Dude put up 1000 yard seasons with bum QB's. Now here we are just hoping and praying one of these young draft picks can even begin to fill his shoes. The guy who so many people said was only a #2. You reap what you sow.

Oh absolutely injuries were a killer. I'm expecting big things from Derrick with the additions we've made. But I won't listen to any excuses this year for our defensive coordinator. We need results.

It's all about that RAS score baby!

On paper we look improved. And at this point it should be nearly impossible to be worse than we were last year anyways. But if there's an NFL franchise out there that understands more than most the ultimate insignificance of checking off boxes as improved before actually seeing the results on the field it's the Panthers.

It's just what we do.

I get the allure of trading down in theory. I just don't see this being a draft where multiple teams are willing to cut off their own nose to trade up and give up a sweet deal in the process. I mean maybe one or two teams will get antsy but I would be really surprised if we got an offer that would be worth not just sitting put and taking one of the best talents available. Furthermore I just don't think this front office with so much to prove after years of underwhelming drafts needs to be overthinking this. But that's just me.

While I readily acknowledge we could certainly use another young safety. If we draft one at 8th overall over DL or offense I will be ready to flip a table over.

https://x.com/josephperson/status/1786056064254837242 https://x.com/InsideTheLeague/status/1786771136748937429 As I said to another poster most changes have been limited to the pro personnel side. Last year around this time we fired the director and assistant director of pro scouting and a senior personnel executive "retired". Beyond that over the last few years or so we have moved around or promoted some people here and there in the college scouting dept but there have been no major firings or wholesale changes on that side of the operation. Which some here could and would rightfully argue is long overdue given that our drafts have been either mediocre or awful for a long time now.

Icege should inquire to the Panthers about being a paid spokesman. There is a whole world of middle ground between being a miserable fan who probably wants the team to suck and basically being an unpaid sycophant. The overwhelming majority of people are rational and want the team to succeed. However that does not mean they are giving ownership and the front office any benefit of the doubt because that has not been earned in any capacity to this point. That's life.

Due diligence as they should. Keep your options open. I imagine they'll find out about his film study habits too.

What is even going on in that interview? Bizarre all around. But he is only 21 years old. Some team is going to take a chance on his talent. He definitely will need to go to the right situation with a strong coaching foundation though.

Panthers front office might as well start posting up in local nursing homes at this point. Maybe there's a few old timers around with some juice left in the tank. Or you know they could just stop drafting like utter dogshit.

Where was Dan's right hand man when he was trading up for an RB with a torn ACL?

If we do it would be basically league minimum I assume. At this point I would rather just draft an RB in the later rounds or scoop up one of the undrafted backs that will assuredly be available and have potential.

The discussion is about how the fans perceive our moves versus what most talking heads think. I've lost count how many times the Panthers fanbase has thought we had a solid to great offseason only for the team to once again faceplant. That was the context I was referring to.

BPA for the Panthers is the best prospect on their boards lined up with their most pressing needs in order of importance as opposed to simply forcing a pick to the point of reaching because they are in love with a particular prospect. The latter is what got Fitterer in trouble on top of constantly thinking he was outsmarting everyone else in the building. Unfortunately Dan Morgan has already pulled one of those moves with Jonathan Brooks. Very hard lesson learned hopefully. If not we are unequivocally doomed.

Actually being worse seems highly unlikely. Only improving marginally however is a very real possibility with this franchise. If you know the Panthers in and out then you know this. How many offseasons have we "won" in the past? Can't blame anyone for wanting to see results first. That's just the reputation that has been created under this ownership.

I appreciate his candor. Lots to prove this season for a number of guys including our QB. You see what you've got this season and go from there. Don't overthink it. We can't draft to save our lives in the second round anyways. BPA at 8 and keep it moving.

Ian Thomas is officially gone and playing for another team!?

Even if he had taken PED's is he or anyone else in such a scenario with potentially tens of millions of dollars at stake actually going to crumble and admit that publicly to a reporter weeks before the draft?

It sounds like we did more than just kick the tires for DK and Tee. We weren't window shopping we were looking to buy. But I really wish we could gain some level of competency in drafting. Maybe it will happen. We'll see.