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I mean there is relevance to that. But I think much of it has to do with the fact that he is clearly likeable. But does that translate to a coach taking his position to the next level like those that have had staying power for many years like Spoelstra? And not for nothing but does how much someone is liked even matter? Across leagues with the Panthers Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney were universally well liked by players. Dave Canales is very well liked. I say you are what your record says. And the record says you got your ass handed to you by a fellow expansion team in the Magic in a game that was over at halftime and that same team went toe to toe with our nemesis who has been handing us L's for over a year now. And if Bam doesn't get his leg swept by LaMelo do we even get past the Heat? Again. It just all boils down to personal standards. I think newer and younger fans will love this. I just want to actually win a real playoff game fam

I like Charles Lee from a personal standpoint but in terms of perfomance man this franchise has LOW standards. Borrego all over again.

People really need to stop placing Dan Morgan on some kind of infallible pedestal. He is absolutely in lockstop with Tepper regarding Bryce and has been all along. As far as the team being okay with 185 passing yards per game. We better have a proven monster RB in our backfield then. Presently that guy is not on the roster. Chuba has one outlier season so far and the other guys have proven nothing. Not what you would call a great recipe. The only thing we can hope at this juncture is that the highest paid OL in the league for the second year in a row elevates their play from last season and opens up some massive holes even our RB's can get through. But it still doesn't resolve the issue of predictability. With no viable passing game it is much easier to shut down any run game. No defenses are scared of Bryce's arm. It is what it is.

Bryce is undoubtedly mediocre to average at best in processing and decision making. He is in no way shape or form some mini Peyton Manning or a mental savant. And it is absurdly insulting that people are still simultaneously pretending otherwise while insinuating other QB's are basically mental midgets. Like man someone has to be really damn dug in to come post something like that 4 years in. The cope is real folks.

Zion would be an insane gamble from both a maturity standpoint and an availability standpoint. He has only played 17 more games than LaMelo since 2022.

I agree. I understand why he did though. And surely he had his parents in his ear who have always gone out of their way to make sure he always had the best and the least amount of adversity around him to that point in his life advising him to do so. Where I take the most issue with it is when people who just want to be sycophants start listing off other QB's who didn't throw at the combine and you don't even make it through half the names before your eyes roll right into the back of your head realizing every single of those QB's who didn't throw already clearly showcased the necessary prerequisite physical talents needed for the position.

The NFL is a fickle beast. There have been some very talented players who could not sustain their previous success even with the necessary physical traits. He would just end up one more in a long line. But you are correct. When you are targeting a specific position if you are operating with the necessary number of functioning brain cells you should always covet and prioritize the players who showed up the most against the best most pro ready competition. Not fawn over the prospects who spent the bulk of their career shellacking smaller college programs who basically operate out of a large closet space.

I tend to think the Panthers used up their one fleece pass when we got a 4th for Mingo from the Cowboys. I cannot imagine the market for Legette is higher than a 6th. Which makes it pointless to move him. See how he responds this season and go forward accordingly in the offseason.

I'm open to any and all trade options as long as we are pursuing a legit shot creator. Tired of watching dudes chuck up bricks.

I mean I get that and agree to a point. He's a very likeable guy by all accounts he's a good teammate he's an excellent dinner guest etc. As amusing as it would be to have him fleece the Tepper's for a number of years it's not fair to the rest of the roster and eventually would result in a fracture in the locker room. Nor is it reasonable given the amount of tax dollars that go into the venue which the Panthers play. Of which the tax payers footing the bill share zero ownership. So in that regard not much in the way of parallels to harmless albeit cookie cutter country music singers.

Ultimately this just amounts to heavy revisionist history. I mean you aren't talking to someone that just popped out the womb a week ago. I was here all throughout the predraft process. The overwhelming majority of the fanbase felt like this was a fine situation and the best situation for a rookie QB to go to compared to Houston for example. The hype for Young and our "rockstar" staff was off the charts. No one could dare speak cautious skepticism of his abilities or they would be neg repped into oblivion. Only after he had one of statistical worst rookie seasons of the last 25 years did we get this narrative now that his rookie season actually shouldn't count. Complete malarkey if you ask me.

So "best defense ever" or nah?

Don't get your hopes up. I doubt we're lucky enough or relevant enough for that to happen. He's already been getting paid for several tiers below mediocre journalism. He's probably just taking time off and they genuinely don't even care because it's the Panthers.

The plus side is it is entertaining watching the Tepper's and their planetary sized egos burn through millions trying and failing to make their version of the Panthers successful.

In his 3rd season he barely edged out rookie Joe Flacco and 2nd year QB Christian Ponder. Magnificent.

38 year old Matthew Stafford put up a combined 831 yards and 6 touchdowns in two games in December and January against the greatest defense in the history of the galaxy. The 2025 Seahawks defense would have gotten lit tf up by the elite QB's of the 2010's if a guy pushing 40 can give them fits like that.

These casual social media fans need to study and understand football that existed before 5 or 10 years ago before going around throwing around best of all time awards.

TE in this offense is largely pointless anyways. Even if we had a coach who valued receiving TE's more we do not have a QB whose skillset centers around maximizing the middle of the field. It's actually one of his weakest areas. Njoku would just end up disgruntled here.

Right now the one thing Bryce Young has to hang his hat on is his dominance of the Falcons in the sphincter dome. But unfortunately they no longer employ Raheem Morris.

I think you're splitting hairs here. No it is not entirely his fault but since Tepper bought the team many aspects have changed for the worse over the years and fan engagement and access to the team has been one of them. We haven't had a winning record in how many years now but training camp is closed off to fans like they're hiding something next level that is going to take the league by storm. That's not even mentioning the fact that at one point the team awkwardly tried to rebrand a new motto and lean away from Keep Pounding until the fanbase kindly told the Tepper's to fug off and cut the crap.

Bryce Young led the Panthers offense to 3 points in 3 quarters. The Seahawks scored 14 unanswered points in the 3rd quarter. Strutting around with your chest out over a touchdown drive late in a game that was long over after our #1 pick finished with one of the most embarrassing stat lines in league history is next level coping. And from someone who uses the term "super weird" to describe others with opposing views. Take this nonsense back to reddit.

The Tepper's really have done a number on this fanbase. Shame.

See above. The Panthers have had a very small number of truly productive QB's in franchise history. All one needs to do is compare and contrast to get an understanding of just how historically downbad our passing offense has been the last 3 years. And why people are trying but struggling to hold out hope that it will just suddenly drastically change. I'd love to see it but...

I mean I've been pretty honestly blunt about Jaycee Horn particularly given his contract extension. But to take a shot at him and make no mention of the #1 pick leading the offense to only 3 passing first downs 1-11 on third down an interception 2.3 yards per attempt and the longest completion of the game being 8 yards and acting as if the Panthers offense was ever truly in that game is beyond the pale. The only way one could come to that conclusion is if they are completely delusional or cognitively impaired.