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Running through a wall I took as a remark more in the sense of showing your teammates you're willing to do whatever it takes in high pressure moments that define games and seasons. Not literally playing with complete reckless abandon. You want to limit those scenarios with a high probably for negative outcomes clearly but I'll never complain about a guy who is the face of the team wanting to make the most of moments like that when the games are on the line. We haven't had that mentality here for quite awhile now.

$39 million as a rookie and people practically line up to tell you why Bryce Young can't pick up some weights.

The post you quoted just said he wanted a QB willing to do whatever it takes for his team in those crucial situations in games. Even if Bryce Young wanted to do those things he just isn't built like that. Cam was. The problem was Ron Rivera relied on that too much often to save his own job. And the result was Cam's career was unfortunately shortened. But you need a guy at QB with an edge and a mentality like that if you want to compete for anything of significance in this league. You're just never going to be able to do much if anything with a guy who can't even run a simple QB sneak because you're worried about him breaking in half.

Can't help but notice more and more of these very loudly outspoken Bryce Young defenders beginning a sentence about our only MVP in franchise history this way. Telling.

You'll have to have a conversation with that poster to get more on their thoughts. But these kinds of uncomfortable discussions have existed with every single QB who has started games for this team for an extended period of time. We cannot act as if Bryce Young is the only one who has faced tough questions and it's completely unfair and doing so is only going to have the complete opposite effect of what you seek because he is not a mid round pick or Mr. Irrelevant.

I can agree the whole HOF process now seems much more hollow and manipulated than in years past. Mainly just lip service to the larger markets and biggest names. Meh.

The post you quoted mentioned him going down with minimal contact which has happened frequently throughout his 37 career games it just is what it is. I don't see anything about saying it's his fault his leg got stopped on. And it is unfortunate to see Bryce Young get hurt but things happen and given his size and lack of any real physicality it was always going to be an inevitability. It wasn't like we didn't know this when we drafted him.

Bryce Young has come into camp three offseasons in a row looking completely the same as if he couldn't be bothered to enter the weight room and his fumbling issues have also carried over three seasons in a row. So I have no idea why anyone would expect not to see this subject of him going down with minimal contact eventually come up. Don't have to like it but that comes with the territory of being a #1 pick.

The Panthers made splash signings and trades at QB with both Hurney and Fitterer. Big contract to Teddy Bridgewater big trade for Sam Darnold trade for Baker Mayfield. Trade all the way up to #1 for Bryce Young. They kept upping the ante every time. That's because the Tepper's were always in the room.

At this point we're used to the Panthers making poor decisions so nothing should shock anyone. And at the end of the day the Tepper's are still very much guiding the direction of the operation of this franchise.

Considering how wide the gap is between our spending on the offense versus the defense for the year I would say overall the defense has held up their end of the bargain and then some. Now it's up to the offense to manage more than one measly trip to the end zone.

CJ Stroud and Davis Mills are playoff winners bud it is what it is no amount of paragraphs or calling others dicks is going to change that. If it angers you then maybe speak to someone.

I've rarely heard anyone ever use this metric but for some reason you're using it to push an agenda for a practice squad QB who has 800+ less attempts than the guy you're drawing a comparison to. You've gone off the deep end.

I want to see our passing offense operate at a level that isn't marginally better than when Jimmy Clausen was QB. There's a whole world of middle ground between that and throwing for 400 yards every game. If you can't handle that the problem is you.

Teams are putting things like this on social media for better or worse it isn't limited to just being at our expense. That's social media now. As far as the play it does not appear intentional. If it was we would know it when we see it given our history. Honestly Bryce is lucky he is playing in this era I legitimately don't think he would have survived 15 or 20 yeara ago compared to what is considered roughing the passer now.

If Bryce Young didn't have a higher YPA than a practice squad QB after throwing the ball 811 more times he would be the worst QB in NFL history.

Now THIS is worthy of a Mic'd up. Finally something we can all agree on.

You're comparing 324 attempts to 1135 attempts and whailing at others for making dumb arguments. Take a break.

The scope of the limitations is so far beyond long bombs. Nobody here is clamoring for us just to run straight up go routes on repeat. There are crucial throws defenses know we can't convert such as down the sideline that almost always result in either the ball going several feet over the receivers head out of bounds or the receiver having to leap into the air and make an acrobatic attempt to haul it in or having to completely slow down or stop. It's off the table and defenses know it and sooner or later we were going to walk into another buzzsaw like against the Patriots. Nobody here is in love with Hendon Hooker or Mike White. It wasn't us who made the decision to ignore the depth of the QB room two years in a row. You can whail at people for discussing it all you want. If you're that triggered by the discussion then call up Dan Morgan and bitch at him about the fact we are having to discuss the likes of Dalton Hooker or White. It isn't our fault.

He's on his 4th team in 4 years. Ultimately he was available for a reason. Our FO had the opportunity to not back themselves into this corner. But the onus is now on Canales. I sure hope he's up to it.

Well hold on let's pause for a second and establish some things first since we're on the subject of "cop outs with no room for nuance". Our own QB has 37 games under his belt. Many of them are either subpar or just plain bad. We only just this past Sunday won our 2nd road game in his career. But months and months of contentious discussion since his rookie season has largely resulted in the oft used argument that Bryce Young's struggles were due to the coaching and players around him and ultimately he couldn't be blamed. But now apparently it seems like you folks have fully tossed that out and are actively blaming Stroud while wholly omitting contributing circumstances around him. So which is one it????? As far as Brees. Look I've got to be direct here. I cannot stand that guy. But I would have to concede that he had a significantly better arm than Bryce Young. I mean it's not even close. Plus as much as it annoys me to say it's clear Drew Brees wasn't afraid to hit the weight room either. And Baker has obviously always had arm talent that showed on the tape even when he was struggling or being a tool. Acknowledging all of this is the first step in gaining a firm footing in reality with the rest of us.

How is it not relevant? His physical talent allows him to make high level throws in just about any circumstance. On the run. Off platform. Off his backfoot. His problem was always the mental aspect. It's always going to be easier for a guy like that to dig himself back into starting jobs than someone who does not have that advantage built in.

It's interesting you perceive a simple acknowledgement of reality in terms of where we are on the ladder across the league as a franchise as flexing. But that is not at all surprising to me. I remember you arguing with me about our awful QB room earlier in the year and specifically Andy Dalton. Everything with you seems to circle back to trying to carry water for Bryce Young. You should get on the payroll bud. Don't work for free.

Panthers obviously laughably mismanaged that situation all around. But he's ultimately where he wanted to be. Big city bright lights.

What in your view is the goal? Is what ultimately amounts to winning individual meaningless games like the Panthers have been doing while never competing for their division or the postseason the last 8+ years the bar? Or is it actually winning in the postseason? This team hasn't sniffed the playoffs in nearly a decade. To try and dunk on teams and players who have is pitiful. You can argue otherwise if it makes you feel better. Do what makes you happy.