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He's definitely been moving the ball more which is good to see. Now let's find out if he and this offense can take a step forward against an opponent like the Eagles.

Who the hell is Feleipe Franks lol

You are hitting on all cylinders here my friend. I'm with you. 2016 was a very sobering season that realistically should have brought about a proper investment in developing another QB. My main concern with hiring Morgan aside from his role in our drafts with Fitterer was just how hellbent he might be on trying to salvage a trade and selection he was very much an integral part of. We'll just have to see how different he will ultimately be from our previous GM's. So far he's not exactly breaking any mold with the heavy investment in running back.

Agreed which is why I mentioned it and framed it as being certainly an eat crow moment for a lot of people myself included. I'd love to see him shock the league like that. I think the direction the conversation went immediately after is a prime example of how the topic of Bryce Young in general has become so bitter and contentious. The fanbase is split between people who want to see him look like a first overall pick over the course of multiple starts and not just against inferior defenses and people who apparently have low expectations and are just fine with him not looking horrific. But that's not how the NFL works and that's not why we drafted him.

Absolutely I agree completely. As far as Cam goes you are right even though at the time I would have probably said it's a luxury we can't afford. But we should have been trying to develop someone behind Cam at least beginning in 2017 or so. I think that was a tough sell all around because of how large Cam loomed personality wise. But still it should have been in motion for the good of the team. But it's a far cry from where we are now. We are not in a position at QB where we can say trying to develop another guy is a luxury. We absolutely need a fallback plan this go around. And I agree Andy Dalton and Jack Plummer do not qualify as that in any way shape or form. If the team repeats that approach in the upcoming offseason I'm going to see it as a slap in the face to the fanbase. Which means it could sadly happen lol.

No sir. You both asked the question knowing either way you would get a response you could pounce on so you could get on your own high horse and accuse bias which you immediately did. None of us here are required to have the same opinion or expectation of Bryce Young. His passing output has been consistently so comically low that even 250 yards has become a rare praise worthy event. Finally he throws for 298 yards yesterday and now you say me asking for 300 passing yards from him in one single game against a better opponent is akin to asking for him to throw for 5000 yards in a season (silly comparison at best). Yet you accuse me of not seeking productive conversation? Sure.

@*FreeFua* @travisura You ask a question. You get an answer. And immediately start flailing about how it's an unreasonable demand from a first overall pick that you both are saying is playing at a high level now. Jordan Love Kirk Cousins Joe Burrow Jaden Daniels Matthew Stafford Lamar Jackson All these guys have played at a high level throughout multiple starts over the course of their career save Daniels who is a rookie but has largely played spectacularly. If you want low standards for Bryce Young just say that and we will agree to disagree. But if this kid is ever going to become a franchise QB it isn't going to happen if you expect him to stink against teams like the Eagles.

The Eagles have been an up and down team there's no telling which version of them we'll get. But it is a home game for them so that atmosphere is going to be tough. If Bryce can at least have us competing and keeping it close I will feel good about him going forward. But I do wonder what Canales confidence level in this offense is. He's gotta realize this team only has 3 wins. Take some risks. See what your group is made of. The conservative stuff is more of the same that this beleaguered fanbase doesn't need. We are in agreement. He will be here to compete next year regardless. All I've maintained is that unless he finishes looking stellar we should not sit on our hands again in relation to the rest of the QB room. That's all. Appreciate the convo.

Lamar Jackson is a different QB altogether and a threat to run practically every play his game is not a pure passer. He does not need that to succeed. Bryce does.

Would you or would you not agree that ultimately O'Connell is a jag? That's not me trying to disparage the guy it's just the reality. One game doesn't mean he's turned the corner into anything special anymore than those games Kyle Allen looked special for us. 2 games out of 25 isn't even really a sample size honestly. If you want a true sample size then that will require the remainder of the season. Eagles Cowboys and Cardinals are plenty good of a test to confirm what people are hoping for from him for right now.

300 passing yards minimum 2 passing touchdowns.

Respectfully I will agree to disagree. I'm not on board with comparisons to Mahomes. If you're going that route then are you also comparing Aidan O'Connell to Mahomes since he went off on the Chiefs defense? Bryce did outplay Baker. Although you could make the valid argument we underachieved given all the gifts the Bucs gave us. And I've said all along this season Baker is being overrated. The Bucs are truly not that good. We should have hung at least 3 touchdowns on those fools. That's on Canales Bryce and the receivers.

No one is denying that the Texans have clearly made a striking attempt at surrounding their QB with talent. That being said in his rookie year virtually nobody had them pegged as going to the playoffs let alone winning a playoff game. But we also have to be honest that along the way Stroud has elevated people around him. Is he having a down year this season compared to his rookie year? You could certainly make that case. But he's still playing like a top 20 QB. Cam went to a Super Bowl with Ted Ginn Jr as his #1 WR. He also had us competive more often than not in his early years despite having the likes of Byron Bell at left tackle. Cam is just a different dude in this context of the conversation. It just doesn't compare.

Sounds good to me.

Near 180 would still make him a top 20 QB based on the fact that for last season and even this season he has steadily been statistically in the high 30's to 40's amongst all qualified passers. You can poo every post my guy you are not going to impose your will on anyone here. It's a fan discussion message board. Nobody cares that you can't handle someone having a differing opinion. Have a great day.