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I mean there is relevance to that. But I think much of it has to do with the fact that he is clearly likeable. But does that translate to a coach taking his position to the next level like those that have had staying power for many years like Spoelstra? And not for nothing but does how much someone is liked even matter? Across leagues with the Panthers Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney were universally well liked by players. Dave Canales is very well liked. I say you are what your record says. And the record says you got your ass handed to you by a fellow expansion team in the Magic in a game that was over at halftime and that same team went toe to toe with our nemesis who has been handing us L's for over a year now. And if Bam doesn't get his leg swept by LaMelo do we even get past the Heat? Again. It just all boils down to personal standards. I think newer and younger fans will love this. I just want to actually win a real playoff game fam

I like Charles Lee from a personal standpoint but in terms of perfomance man this franchise has LOW standards. Borrego all over again.

People really need to stop placing Dan Morgan on some kind of infallible pedestal. He is absolutely in lockstop with Tepper regarding Bryce and has been all along. As far as the team being okay with 185 passing yards per game. We better have a proven monster RB in our backfield then. Presently that guy is not on the roster. Chuba has one outlier season so far and the other guys have proven nothing. Not what you would call a great recipe. The only thing we can hope at this juncture is that the highest paid OL in the league for the second year in a row elevates their play from last season and opens up some massive holes even our RB's can get through. But it still doesn't resolve the issue of predictability. With no viable passing game it is much easier to shut down any run game. No defenses are scared of Bryce's arm. It is what it is.

Bryce is undoubtedly mediocre to average at best in processing and decision making. He is in no way shape or form some mini Peyton Manning or a mental savant. And it is absurdly insulting that people are still simultaneously pretending otherwise while insinuating other QB's are basically mental midgets. Like man someone has to be really damn dug in to come post something like that 4 years in. The cope is real folks.

Zion would be an insane gamble from both a maturity standpoint and an availability standpoint. He has only played 17 more games than LaMelo since 2022.

I agree. I understand why he did though. And surely he had his parents in his ear who have always gone out of their way to make sure he always had the best and the least amount of adversity around him to that point in his life advising him to do so. Where I take the most issue with it is when people who just want to be sycophants start listing off other QB's who didn't throw at the combine and you don't even make it through half the names before your eyes roll right into the back of your head realizing every single of those QB's who didn't throw already clearly showcased the necessary prerequisite physical talents needed for the position.

The NFL is a fickle beast. There have been some very talented players who could not sustain their previous success even with the necessary physical traits. He would just end up one more in a long line. But you are correct. When you are targeting a specific position if you are operating with the necessary number of functioning brain cells you should always covet and prioritize the players who showed up the most against the best most pro ready competition. Not fawn over the prospects who spent the bulk of their career shellacking smaller college programs who basically operate out of a large closet space.

I tend to think the Panthers used up their one fleece pass when we got a 4th for Mingo from the Cowboys. I cannot imagine the market for Legette is higher than a 6th. Which makes it pointless to move him. See how he responds this season and go forward accordingly in the offseason.

I'm open to any and all trade options as long as we are pursuing a legit shot creator. Tired of watching dudes chuck up bricks.

I mean I get that and agree to a point. He's a very likeable guy by all accounts he's a good teammate he's an excellent dinner guest etc. As amusing as it would be to have him fleece the Tepper's for a number of years it's not fair to the rest of the roster and eventually would result in a fracture in the locker room. Nor is it reasonable given the amount of tax dollars that go into the venue which the Panthers play. Of which the tax payers footing the bill share zero ownership. So in that regard not much in the way of parallels to harmless albeit cookie cutter country music singers.

Ultimately this just amounts to heavy revisionist history. I mean you aren't talking to someone that just popped out the womb a week ago. I was here all throughout the predraft process. The overwhelming majority of the fanbase felt like this was a fine situation and the best situation for a rookie QB to go to compared to Houston for example. The hype for Young and our "rockstar" staff was off the charts. No one could dare speak cautious skepticism of his abilities or they would be neg repped into oblivion. Only after he had one of statistical worst rookie seasons of the last 25 years did we get this narrative now that his rookie season actually shouldn't count. Complete malarkey if you ask me.

So "best defense ever" or nah?

Don't get your hopes up. I doubt we're lucky enough or relevant enough for that to happen. He's already been getting paid for several tiers below mediocre journalism. He's probably just taking time off and they genuinely don't even care because it's the Panthers.

The plus side is it is entertaining watching the Tepper's and their planetary sized egos burn through millions trying and failing to make their version of the Panthers successful.

In his 3rd season he barely edged out rookie Joe Flacco and 2nd year QB Christian Ponder. Magnificent.