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You want Tepper to make that evaluation? Serious question. Do you want Tepper to evaluate and make any decisions on draft QB's?

Don't we have a new OL coach? Wouldn't he prefer to select his own assistant, or at least have a say in it? This move makes sense and shouldn't be surprising. I bet we will have a bit more change over, on the offensive side especially.

At the very least, it does sound as if it's consensus that he is the best of the class. I've read that a couple places already as well. I think 6 is a reach but from the scouts it sounds like it's not a massive reach, as in a whole round?

The coaches leaving is concerning. Disappointed in losing the secondary coach.

Look I'm not a huge Pickett fan, buuuuuuuuuut.... Can DJ Moore get better? Can Brian Burns get better? What about Jeremy Chinn? Has he peaked? Chinn turns 24 in a few days. At what age do QB's reach their prime? I've always heard 28-32. I guess it's the right balance where the mental is all there and the physical hasn't deteriorated too much. Now, I know you can talk about Darnold with this and say "look see he hasn't peaked either lets hold onto him for another 4 years, derp, derp!" to which I say Darnold has already proven he's not it in the NFL. Maybe he can develop more, but the ceiling is real low. tldr - I think it's a premature to declare someone has hit their ceiling just because they are 24.

This is my issue with Pickett. Burrow does this, Pickett hides his hands. Just says a lot about their mentality. Pickett doesn't seem very alpha in all this.

You're not suppose to hold the ball at the laces....

Does the owner really need to have a press conference just because the fans are crying like little bitches? Just not really getting why it matters one way or the other. So basically you wanted Matt Rhule fired. You didn't get what you wanted and now you need daddy to come talk soft to you to calm you down? I mean, wtf?

Are you holding the ball at the laces??? Also out of curiousity, my hands measure 8 1/2" - same as Pickett's. But I'm 5' 6" tall. If he legit has a hand condition, that's going to have to evaluated more closely. I'd be curious what his left hand measures just as a comparison.

How? Please elaborate. Don't get me wrong, i have no fuging clue about QBs. I also have no fuging clue how messing up on one draft pick ruins your franchise for multiple years.

That doesn't make any sense. Just because your 1st rounder busts this year doesn't mean you can't draft another next year (see Cardinals). Unless you trade up for 3 1st rounders, in which that case you would have a point.

I was hoping for an interesting thread, but instead it's another bash the Panthers thread.

Cool story bro.

That's all it takes. 1. Get a QB. 2. Win. That's it. That's basically the formula.

Not really. If your opponent is constantly getting 30 yard fields, they are going to score more points. Those points count against the defense, even though they are defending a short field. Not saying that is exactly what happened with us, just saying short fields makes your defense look worse than it is and we had A LOT of turnovers.

Flores has made himself virtually unhireable.

You have to play to win. If you never roll the dice, you'll never find your franchise guy. You can take the safe pick over and over again, but until you win the QB lottery, you will never be more than a playoff contender. That's where you need smart scouts and front office to really get some sort of hint of who could be and who isn't. This year, is any of these guys worth it at 6? Idk. I don't get paid to watch QBs all day and night. Will none of these guys be franchise QB's? Doubt that. I bet one of these guys will be legit. I hope that guy is a Panther next year.

Absolutely. I think a lot of thought though is it's a waste of a pick for a game manager. Lots of people seem to think it's franchise guy or bust...but don't spend the pick unless you are 1000% certain it's a franchise guy. The way I see it, if it's an upgrade, then take a guy in the first round. If you can upgrade again next year or the year after, do that. Right now, we need an upgrade over Darnold. I'd love to see us on the cusp of playoff contention over this poo we're in right now.

We? Sources please. I know this has been discussed to death, but I don't recall seeing anything definitive one way or another. Can you link to anything, interview, something that makes it clear it wasn't Joe Brady? I just don't recall seeing anything like that. It's been awhile, so memory could be fuzzy.

QB is so key. Far higher than any other position. You draft a QB every year, or every other year if you're on the fence on last years guy, until you have your franchise QB. Once you have your QB, all other pieces will come together quickly if you are hitting on most of your 2nd round picks. QB is just too important and too hard to get. You have to play to win, if you know what I mean. We haven't been playing the lottery though. We've been dumpster diving. Easier to win the lottery than the dumpster.

I'm really hoping Matt Rhule saw what he was doing wasn't working and made the conscious decision to make changes and wasn't forced. No way to know, but if the former, than there is actually some hope for next year.

I haven't followed this conversation, but this right here makes me sick. What a shitty Panthers fan. My biggest complaint about this place is how many non-Panthers fans are allowed to run rampant. Notice when the team is winning, certain people just disappear? It's a whole different crowd. I'm sorry just my opinion, but I think fans of other teams who post here regularly, or people just here to troll, or people who care more about being right then winning should be straight up banned. What a shitty culture this place has. Loser mentality all over this forum. Sad.

Look, as long as their future years to borrow from, then there is always money available for right now. There are unlimited future years so the cap is essentially unlimited. I'm glad our front office has figured that out. You do have to be smart about it or it will catch up to you at some point. It takes about 20+ years to kick it down the road so far that you can't afford to field a team, but if a team handles their borrowing from the future well, it can be done unlimitedly and indefinitely. We are nowhere near the point of where we need start worrying about reduced future cap. I'm in my 40s and it's very possible that it won't be an issue in my lifetime as long as they aren't restructuring everyone on the roster every year and adding voided years to every new contract.

Yeah took the Saints something like 15 years until their cap situation got out of control. Yes every couple decades you have get it back in check with a tear down. By time we get to the point the Saints are in, a lot of y'all old bitchy folks will be dead.

This place is so funny. All this talk about contracts and cap hits like that ish matters. (The salary cap is a myth. It's all about manipulation. Samir looks like he knows how to do that.)