BrisbanePanther

This is always fun, but I've often wondered if there's actual scientific evidence of this...reminds me of the discussion of "the Hot Hand Fallacy" in The Big Short (great movie, btw).

You can never fully know. Burrow and Stroud threw to some of the greatest college receivers in recent memory and were at some of the biggest powerhouses. For Milroe, I'm on record here flying the flag for him being drafted by Carolina (maybe by myself or with one other). Other than Hurts, he's the most different Alabama QB has ever had. He's a threat with his feet and his arm, and while he still has growing to do, his ceiling talentwise and guts-wise is limitless. Everyone loves to see these guys overcome adversity too, and this guy had to fail and fight to be the starter last year. We can't let the Bryce experience jade us from Milroe. If we're drafting a QB, he's the guy--especially in a keep-Dalton-and-grow-the-rookie scenario.

You have to just stick Dalton and sign him for maybe a 3-4 year deal (team option for yr 4). When called upon twice in two years he delivered, and he'll be the best available. When he's done, just sign the next FA. I think we'll see the Panthers avoid rookie QBs for the foreseeable future like they used to. Drafting one while you have a vet already only destablizes the situation with the vet always looking over his shoulder.

Agreed on all counts. The thread just read a bit like the Rhule deference that was here early on, and especially in the back and forth with Bridgewater where everyone sided with Rhule and staff over Teddy just because they hated Teddy's play. Look how that turned out.

For the deference given to Canales in this thread, let's remember that the guy has proven NOTHING and he also may not know what he's doing! Things could be different if he played all the starters for all three pre-season games. Bryce would've had three games that didn't count to prove the footwork drills etc all set in. He could have flung it as much as he wanted because the stats don't count. A lot more could have been observed in those three games. The Huddle and media both criticized his approach and both are right. And if Bryce STILL stunk it up in the 2nd week of the season, no one complains that he was benched too early as it would have been 5 games of action not 2.

Or Deshaun Watson lol

100% agree. Both are true. Bryce has been awful. The Panthers franchise has been awful since he was in high school. It's actually a perfectly toxic marriage. Bryce needed to be Andrew Luck to overcome the perma-stank on Mint Street. Anything less was always going to fail, which we now see despite what we were sold. Stroud might have had the team at 4-13 or 5-12...100% more wins but lol.

The question was what they could realistically get. Realistically, they'd get a Day 2 pick, no question...if it were any team other than Carolina. But since GMs know it's Carolina, they'll get offered a 6th or 7th. They also might get nothing and will have to release him, not because other GMs value Bryce the same as the Huddle does, but because they know Carolina's front office collectively has one football IQ point for every year the franchise has been in existence. Cam was cut for nothing, CMC was given away for a bag of moldy beans, and Burns was had for a 2nd and a 5th probably because the brain (lol) trust figured both numbers were higher than 1.

This bolded part is why we should all ignore gripes that sometimes comes from position players when the QB's contract eats up 1/4 to 1/3 of the cap.

I see the effect here, but all these guys went to teams that we stole the laughing stock crown from (Browns, Raiders, Browns again, Jets). And with the exception of Sanchez, I recall them all having some kind of mental stuff going on. Bit of a nitpick but point made. If you add Bryce to this list, maybe there is a theme here...in the world of NIL, "winners" at the college will be more selective in where they go.

While I understand that reflex...imagine Chicago not taking another Ohio State QB after Fields...and Fields at least looked the part. Half the people who didn't want Stroud only discounted him because he went to Ohio State. Everyone with that view now looks foolish.

As was I. In reading this article, it seems like we and others may have been justified in our belief that he actually may have been 'supercomputer' ready. What we didn't know was that the readiness may have been more fragile than expected, and getting NFL-hit clearly shook that readiness.

This is the fairest take that I've read so far. Bryce's physical limitations + Carolina's (mostly well-meaning) misfires = our current situation Apologies if already posted elsewhere. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/revisiting-bryce-young-nfl-draft-evaluation-what-went-wrong-carolina-panthers/

But you'd care about the billions of tax dollars that would surely be spent to get back into the club. We all know that's what will happen. It happened over 20 years ago with the Hornets and the "non-binding referendum", it happened in Houston after the Oilers left, and while Seattle has an arena ready, they still haven't replaced the Sonics. And given his history, we know that Tepper would threaten to demolish BofA on his way out too...probably replace it with free parking lot to stick it to the city as well.

This QB's mindset--and it's backed up. At the moment, we can trade down and get him...and probably don't have to worry about him saying he won't play in Carolina. "Attack! Attack from the jump!" "Every f'n snap is all about us!" "Let's go attack these mfers!"

I know this is a popular cope on this forum, but I think it's a cynical take. True--they could all be covering for being wrong about Bryce, but they're wrong about other prospects and deals and those franchises don't draw the ire that's been directed at Charlotte. Also true--the Carolina Panthers has been one of the worst run mom-and-pop franchises in modern US sports history. The Panthers are such as easy target that the media can loudly point at the franchises track record (especially with Tepper) and no one will contradict them...because they kinda can't. Let's face it. Our franchise is mediocre trash, and other than lucking into a few decent seasons outside the Cam years, has usually been mediocre trash in a market most media types don't care about. Doesn't excuse Bryce, but easily explains why all but a handful of media types point at the team and not the player. Easy pickins.

Andrew Luck did in fact do this to us. He says he didn't but all know that's not true. I don't understand all the feelings about the national takes on this team, btw. Unfortunately the record speaks for itself. Other than a few bright spot seasons, this is a moribund franchise and every season is more likely than not that it's below .500. We STILL haven't had consecutive winning seasons in three decades. Our owner has a rep of being trash, we throw QBs away like nothing (including the best we ever had), we trade away franchise skill position players for nothing, we keep other pseudo-franchise skill position players too long (Chinn?). Even our outdated (but soon-to-be-lipsticked) stadium is too-often known as a home-away-from-home for many visiting teams. Just an absolute mess of franchise, but it can always change--ask the Saints, Bucs, Seahawks, and Pats. Like someone else said in another thread, there's always a cellar dweller, now is our turn and the national media is treating us accordingly...But we true believers love our team anyway.

Tepper is at least as prideful as Jerruh, and Jerruh makes it clear that he's the GM--even with the bad decisions. Seems we wouldn't need anecdotal evidence if Tepper is the same...or is the view that Tepper is not operating like Jerruh directly but just making it clear to a weak staff what he wants.

I recall a couple seasons ago people advocating for Murray on this forum when there were contract questions about him in AZ, but besides being short, people hated his film comments. Pretty sure he's been way better than anything we've had since that time...and that includes his injury seasons. Would've been the best option. Murray on this team as constructed at least has BofA full and definitely contents for the playoffs. Certainly wins more than two games. Even Stroud was only given a C+ so far this year in a CBS write-up.

I just saw a tweet that advocated exactly this--Miami might be the only team where Bryce even remotely has a chance. We have to take our blinders off and realize that for every front office that thinks Bryce is a bust, there's probably 1-2 other front offices that lol at Carolina, don't respect the franchise at all, and think they can now get Bryce at a steal. Teams deceive themselves like this all the time. Case in point, our beloved Carolina Panthers with Darnold and Mayfield. If he were on another team, I'd expect him to be traded for draft capital at least as good as Rosen was. However, this front office just whiffed on the Burns trade and got way less than they should have, so I expect teams to just wait until Dan waives him.

Add the Titans and Saints to that pressure list. Then again he might be one of the few who feast on pressure.

Yes he is, even though I hesitated because the NFL has a long history and I don't recall all the picks. Then I realized that the long history doesn't matter because in the olden days, all they used were their eyes to make the pick. Eventually they got to scales and rulers and should have stopped there and even then they maybe went too far. Football is not a scholars game for MIT students. Never has been, never will be. The only numbers that matter are the jerseys and the score. Teams keep outsmarting themselves with all this data and ignore their eyes. Back to basics. Biggest, strongest, fastest. That's it. Processors are overrated...this is football, not physics.

Good question on reading coverages...I won't pretend to know how he's progressing in that area or what DeBoer requires of him. It does seem however that he so far is relying on his legs less than last year and he certainly has confidence in that arm. Major confidence. Plus he already has a Georgia defeat under his belt from last year.

Meanwhile, Milroe with a stat line at Camp Randall that should give us flashbacks: 196 and 3 TDs in the air, 75 and 2 TDs on the ground. He might be this draft's AR, but a much better passer. We just got the wrong Alabama QB, that's all. Shouldn't stop us from taking the right one.

Either way, I am going with Milroe. He's the guy IMO.