BrisbanePanther

It's ironic that he would be upset for that reason, given that he played the same role with Griffin.

I think it's worth taking a step back and looking at the impact of this on the NFL overall. It's like the league went from one extreme--rookies with no experience becoming the teams' highest paid players--to another--expecting rookies with no experience to play like they're the highest paid players. In both cases the vets get angry, and in both cases the rookies are under probably an unfair level of pressure created by a market not them individually. The vets also lose out because in the former case teams spent all their money on the rookie and not the supporting cast and now teams still don't spend money on the supporting cast when they don't know what they have with the rookie. The Atlanta experiment will be good to watch for this, especially if Cousins was to lead them to 2-3 division titles (entirely possible). They spent a lot of high draft picks on skill position talent rather than a QB and brought him in via FA. Will they go away from him when it's time to pay the skill positions while Penix is still on his rookie deal? They were stupid, but might have stumbled onto another potential way to build a team.

I saw two wins, or like in spades, one and a possible.

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Yeah, since I like being called out, I'm going to agree with you. He was atrocious last year and probably will be this year, but finding new ways to go on about it is a lot like finding new words to describe how hot the sun is. If that's how people like to occupy their time, that's their right. Can't say that I understand it but I suppose it's comforting in some way. Either way, we'll be on the Sanders or Milroe or Beck hype train this time next year while Bryce's super computer is one year closer to him maybe becoming the youngest OC in NFL history.

We get it, Bryce sucks and is unlikely to get better. Mopium is just the opposite form of copium from hopium. At this point, this is another mopium thread. This dead horse has been flogged enough. End the torture.

Yep, we go through this every year it seems. National writer says Panthers suck, Huddle cries basis/hate/whatever, and then lo and behold the team actually did suck. It's the same every year. Maybe a couple of Cam seasons did national media get us wrong. Otherwise, it's time to stop fighting city hall. These writers may know more than we give them credit for.

It was putrid. There was the 75 yd FGA that Frank sent Eddie out for (and he shrugged when he missed it lol) and Chicago started their backup QB Jag McBean, who looked okish against our vaunted D iirc. I believe they had also gotten Sweat back on D, which instantly played better than their stats showed in the games prior. Of all the games to finally watch live from Australia...

Well I'll be unrealistic and take UNC Charlotte all the way like I did for 14 or whatever their last year was. Only this time I won't have to create them. Transfer portal FTW.

This is exactly along the lines that I was wondering. If some YouTuber can diagram plays or follow an All 22 to review games, surely EA can afford to have people do something like this, and it wouldn't surprise me if they had computers do this automatically in order to build the AI. I mean we're talking about calculating football plays not the orbits of Jupiter's moons lol.

Agree. He should definitely be the lowest of NFL starters, but to put rookies above him (except maybe Williams) is just crazy. I just wish he took all this and made it bulletin board material. Then again, he's not that type of dude. He's more of a "run my own race" type rather than "destroy you for a slight against me" type.

Agreed. At risk of being called out for Bama Fandom again, I think the biggest home run swing in '25 might actually be Milroe depending on how the season goes. He's definitely set up to be the Anthony Richardson of this draft. He also beat Beck last year and gets Penix's coach this year. Then again, I saw his interview after beating Georgia and he won't wow anyone at the steakhouse, so...

Moved to draft thread

At risk of collecting piles of poo, a stupid question--how well does Madden's AI account for actual playbook and coaching? I ask because I've recently gotten around to playing '24 more (refuse to pay for it since it eventually comes with GamePass), and with Canales' playbook, the Bucs run a LOT of play action. Is that realistic? Is that what we can expect here as well? Given the draft investment in the RB position and Bryce's..."dimensions"...maybe so?

I see what you're saying, but to use this board's favorite word, I think it's a large dose of hopium/copium to place our fortunes on a hot hand that emerges from the shadows all of a sudden. There's way more Zach Wilsons than Joe Burrows. I understand sometimes players get buried on a bench at some schools, but ideally they would assert themselves accordingly in camp to be the starter. I would need to see at least two years of increasingly better play with more big plays and fewer stupid plays against top competition on bigger stages to start to feel more comfort.

Disagree. Other than not being Bryce, he's not it. The very definition of change for change's sake IMO. In fact all the '25 QBs are. Trade the #1 pick to another QB-desperate team like the Giants for their 2026 #1 and take our chances.

This video left me extremely discouraged and was eye-opening. We're doomed this year. I think we need to be ready for a 3-14 season.

All this talk about Bryce and confidence makes me miss Cam even more. Doesn't help that I just had another one of his videos pop up in my socials. He had enough confidence to donate leftovers to the armies of small countries. Those were the days.

Yeah the few times that Jags games were on TV, I saw nothing about him that matched the hype. In fact, if both their careers ended today, I would argue that Watson was a significantly better NFL QB from Clemson than Lawrence, despite his stupidity. Of the current ACC QBs, he's definitely in the Daniel Jones bracket IMO. Which goes back to my point. Bryce has to be better than him next year to have a chance to win over the local fanbase, but I suspect that won't happen.

Wow, Lawrence was literally a meh QB based on those numbers, and he had legit weapons and a great coach. I'm still on the fence about the value of QBR, but this "generational" QB had 16 QBs better than him based on that metric. We're fooling ourselves if a meh QB rating like that from Bryce will be good enough for this fanbase. Blood is already in the water and well is poisoned. I stand by my requirement that he has at minimum 8 games like or better than the Green Bay game for me to be satisfied...but I honestly think he needs 12 games like that or better to satisfy the bulk of the fanbase. IOW, he has to be better than Lawrence was last year. Plus, if Stroud makes the playoffs again and Bryce doesn't, even if he somehow posted 4500/35/10 there will still be momentum to move on from him.

The answer here is easy...if he can play at least eight games like already did against Green Bay--a playoff team--that would be a good sign to me. He doesn't need to show that he can do any one thing, but he needs to show that he can be consistent in playing at a high level.

Maybe I haven't kept up, but how do we know he set our to deceive in order to keep his stock high? That's a strong character-indicting accusation. Especially when it's not all that different than what others have done in the past. The only potentially eyebrow-raising is not being weighed again. Otherwise, he didn't do anything in the draft process that others haven't done and won't do in the future. In fact, the fact that he put all his eggs in the basket of his own pro day (which he didn't look great at) actively opposes the idea of setting out to deceive.

Just so I have this right...this board keeps wishcasting Dalton's ONE game (a loss while scoring 27) while ignoring Bryce's ONE 300 yard game on 36 passes (also a loss but while scoring 30)? Why not wishcast that one too? Maybe a better question is what did Bryce do differently in the Green Bay game and how can that be repeated? Instead it's like mental gymnastics to say that the Green Bay game was a fluke (or ignored overall) and the rest of season was the trend...while Dalton's game would have apparently proven to not have been a fluke if given the chance? Make it make sense. From now on, IMO any mention of the Seattle game should be balanced with the Green Bay game.

The premise of this question is a strange one. What makes this year any different than last year for Bryce in the surrounding talent category? This time last year he supposedly had an all-star coaching staff, a great offensive line, a top RB free agent, and WR drafted to grow with him. ALL of those things fell apart, and a not-so-insignificant share of the Huddle would say it was Brycefault alone with a straight face. This year he has a new coaching staff on the other end of the experience category and new vet players on offense that on paper should also be great adds. This is all situational. He gets this year and next year only because the '25 QB class is so mediocre. You don't throw him aside because "better must be out there somewhere". I could see if there were a sure thing QB prospect for 2025, but there aren't. Every QB at the top of 2025 question marks and nothing about Panther draft history assures that they'll pick the right guy. Like @Jon Snowsaid, being desperate for a QB is what got us here. Dumping Bryce without a sure fire plan is like quitting a job without knowing the chances of success with what you're doing next. Short of Mahomes magically becoming available, he'll get to play out his rookie contract.

No! Only trade back if a future 1st is on the table. Otherwise hang up the phone.