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A team with bad tackling is usually definitely a sign of coaching.

He's good at making a defense without talent average. That said he's pretty vanilla and not very aggressive or creative. There are some coordinations that can scheme up pressures and he's definitely not that.

Outlier and unicorn are two different things. He's an outlier, definitely not a unicorn.

Unfortunately not. I was already thinking about this. Now they will just say that the organization Carr'd him. Even though he has been the exact same player since game 1.

Lol sheesh. Bryce has been put in timeout lol

He did, even after they followed up and said is he starting next week, he didn't say yes, he just repeated Bryce is our qb. Also people saying this big change are again overrating interview speak. Coaches literally don't have to give us a real answer to anything in an interview. There is no way immediately after the game in a post game presser the coach is going to say, we are benching our starting qb. That's not when you make decisions like that nor when you say it.

Even people on the Panthers sounds intentionally vague.

I don't think they would be calling Plummer up because they think he's better. I think they would be calling him up because Bryce’s time here is over.

Because it's easy. It allows the 24/7 content machine that always has to have something to say that is modern day sports media, a chance to have a loud opinion that everyone can rally behind (panthers being a joke) without them having to actually watch any tape or anything. It's low hanging fruit.

I think the Panthers pray that doesn't happen. If it does i honestly think they call up Plummer or bring someone else in, but they know the media storm that will cause so they hope Dalton stays healthy so they can keep saying Young is #2.

Yea i keep seeing all these people who have never watched a panthers game bashing the offense as a whole and talking about how bad the oline has been so Bryce doesn't have a chance. Basically by all metrics so far this season the pass blocking of the oline has been at worst above average.

What flashes from Bryce did you see to make you see any possible chance of him becoming an average qb?

I think it is clear from the minute the decision was made that his time here was done. That's why this was such a big decision. If they were planning on this being a temporary refresh they would have made up some sort of injury as they have done in the past with players. This wasn't made to be veiled in any way. They've just got to hope Dalton doesn't get hurt because it will create even more of a storm when they call up Plummer or someone if he does.

Why couldn't beat reporters say that tepper played a big impact on the decision? I'm fairly certain they could say that. Almost all the best writers I've seen (that aren't upset by the decision) have downplayed teppers involvement. The people pushing it are national talking heads for content.

Is that what happened or is that what you think happened that you're declaring as fact? Those are two totally different things. Also I think the owner would be in the conversation to some degree or another on this decision on any team in the league. I get people want to blame Tepper for literally everything, but declaring things as facts doesn't make it so.

The locker room was turning on him. Canales preaches this is about the team. Every player is 1 of 11 on offense and 1 of 11 on defense. If he kept trotting the kid who clearly can't handle the NFL out there, then that is a slap in the face to every other player out there and every other player would lose faith in Canales and what he says. It's really not that complicated. Bryce constantly makes the same mistakes and he's never improved in the slightest.

There is no right or wrong way. Sitting for a year or two has worked, and not worked. Starting immediately has worked and not worked. Sometimes it makes a difference, sometimes I think the qb was going to eventually be good or bad regardless and all this overthinking about the right or wrong way to do it had minimal impact either way.

If we could get something for him, I don't see a reason not to do it. Let the young guys play with an average qb and see what we've got in them. He's a free agent and not coming back after this season anyways. We would lose a little on the field this season I guess but helps in the long run and we need to use this season to evaluate the rest of the team, which is why Bryce was benched in the first place. He was playing too bad to even tell how good or bad every other player on the team might be playing.

Also my comment was directed in a lot of ways at the national media. How many of these talking heads do you think have any inside information about the Panthers behind the scenes? How many of them do you think have watched a single Panthers game from start to finish in the past couple years. I can guarantee you the answer is a lot close to 0% than 10%. Fans can fan however they want to, if you want to decide we are doomed for the next 10 years then that's your prerogative, but I refuse to listen to these talking heads who know nothing at all about the Panthers blow hot air to try to get a sound bite. It's like how you can talk crap about your brother, but if someone else does then there is going to be a problem. That's how I feel about these people who have no idea what they're talking about, they're just piling on for content.

As fans literally nothing we do does any good though? Do you think the Panthers care that we are mad on a panthers forum? I get that tepper is a boogeyman and has made mistakes in the past. Guess what? He's going to be the owner of the team for a while at least. He could improve, he might not. Honestly he's approached this offseason and season so far a lot differently. He clearly wants to win. I am always going to be a Panthers fan. I've been just as negative about this team as anyone over the years, but I refuse to be absolutely miserable every season and for every season in the future about things going on behind the scenes that we honestly have no idea on. Especially not in regards to now or the future.

It would definitely be a change from the qb play the past 2 years at least. Almost the total opposite. The offense would definitely be a lot more opened up at least.

You can't live in the past. Things change, you can't judge this year based on last year. Young clearly can't handle the size and speed of the NFL. None of his strengths in the college game convert to the NFL game. The media wants to constantly talk about previous years because they were awful and it's easy content for them when they have to have content 24/7. As fans it does no good to crucify the present for mistakes in the past. It does absolutely no good. Bryce was never going to be a really good qb no matter what the situation was. I could see some very niche situations with the exact right personnel and scheme where he might could be average to below average but never good, so all the rest about the past is moot now. We have a new coaching staff and team this year. Stop living on past mistakes.

Last year he was thrown in to a bad situation. This entire offseason revolved around making things better for Bryce. Oline free agents, wr, te, rb in the draft. A coach who has known to be positive and good at working with coaches and making a system that revolves around the few hypothetical strengths Bryce has. This entire offseason was built around holding his hand. After all that, he was literally much worse. That's a wrap.

0. That's why Canales learned Bryce is unfixable. He literally has to have terrible footwork. It's how he has to try to compensate for being too short to see over the line. He has no other choice. Then the fact he has to have bad footwork puts all his throw power on his already below average arm.

I've never gotten the huge pass he got for being Fitterer's right hand man the entire time. He seems to have the exact same eye for talent. This draft felt exactly like the previous few years of awful drafts. Draft old "raw" players with some physical traits that fit dated old systems or old positional values. He wants to build a team that would work when he played. That doesn't work anymore.