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We got more for Mingo than the Steelers got for Pickens.

I think both things can be true. I think he is capable of playing at a high level, I also think without any elite physical traits, and his height, he has a much smaller margin of error. Both things can be true. All physical traits and his brain are all tools. The more tools you have in your bag the more chances you have to get the job done, but that doesn't mean you cant with minimal tools.

Exactly this. He controls his own future and it's basically decided this coming season. As the #1 overall pick in his third season at qb, if we are picking in the top 5 or 6 next draft in a very qb heavy draft, he made his own bed.

I'm not a Bryce hater and I would 100% move on. Especially looking at how the upcoming qb draft looks on paper. Hopefully he continues to improve but if in 3 seasons you're still chasing average season numbers then he's not going to be the guy. You've just got to keep taking swings until you hit. Average qbs without any elite physical traits cant get it done anymore. So this year Hopefully he continues to develop and is above average statistically.

Yea Bryce was definitely a top half qb the second half of last season but I'm not sure Canales is 100% sold on him. Like I've said in another post I think that's part of why we talked to so many South Carolina players in the draft process. I think they are doing early due diligence on Sellers just in case.

Lol yep. Hopefully Bryce proves he is here to stay and he deserves that second contract without a doubt this season. I think there is a chance that he does. If he doesn't, right now this next qb class is definitely looking like a decent one to need a qb on but you never know how it will play out this coming college season.

Not necessarily. Look at the redskins and Broncos. There is nothing wrong with putting the best possible situation around your qb regardless of if there is a chance you bring in a new one in the future. In the right situation teams can go from awful to good in a hurry. It just takes some luck. I think in today's NFL you should always want the best offensive pieces you can get to surround your qb with no matter who the qb is.

I totally get what you're saying but some of us that don't like it don't see tmac as a #1. I get that some people declare a #1 entirely based on size like the panthers seem to do, but I think a perfect world ceiling for him is a Higgins personally. Hopefully I'm wrong and he becomes a true great #1 for us for the next decade though.

The Eagles started the trend of getting a pff guy to help with their drafts. It seemed to have worked out for them.

I agree. I didn't love this draft, I would give it a B, but I was really unhappy with last years draft so it's a step in the right direction. I feel like there was definitely more of a plan this year and I can at least see what they were trying to do with most players they picked.

Yea, i honestly think he had almost as much say as Dan. One of the main reasons I think that is Eager has said before he was ever with the Panthers, that you trade away picks for a qb and for any other position you do pick swaps, and that's exactly what we did.

I think it was better than last year's. I still wouldn't call it great. I would say pff loved it and we took high pff guys because Eric Eager's fingerprints were all over this draft. I think that's a good thing.

This is what I found. I don't even see how South Carolina fits within those rules honestly but I don't have a Rand McNally map if Charlotte handy lol "By League rule, a "local" player is determined to be a player who is from the "local metropolitan area as defined by a current Rand McNally map." That means the player must be from within the shaded area of that metropolitan map. That League policy can be vague and also can be advantageous to some clubs over others."

Yea, I'm not sure how I feel about him yet. A lot of qb prospects make huge rises or falls the year before they come out, and he doesn't even have to come out for a long time. So I'm not judging him as a prospect before the upcoming season is over. It's just something I've been wondering about since the absurd amount of top 30 visits. Not really saying my opinion on him as a prospect or drafting him either way. Just reading some tea leaves so to speak.

Yea and we only brought 1 in, the udfs linebacker. That's what makes me think there was more to the visits. Even if my theory is true I think they're still hoping Bryce continues to improve as choice #1. But by how fast Dave benched Bryce and how long it took to bench Dalton to put him back in, I don't think Dave is 100% confident in the ceiling of Bryce. Might as well do a little qb research just in case even if you're 90% sure Bryce is the answer.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying we used 11 of our top 30 visits on south carolina players and we brought in one, as a udfa. I just wonder if some of that was to research Sellers. Also I don't like South Carolina as a Pipeline either, but Sellers does have a lot of potential and could definitely climb up the qb rankings this season. He was a redshirt freshman last year and showed a lot of improvement. They clearly didn't spend 11 of the top 30 interviews on south carolina players because they were wanting to bring them in this year or they would have drafted some or brought in more than 1 udfa.

I honestly think this coming season is his make or break year. I have noticed some press conferences where Dan and Dave have made some interesting comments when asked about bryces future and upcoming contract and they've basically said they're not thinking about that or factoring it in at all. Hopefully he continues to improve, that is our best bet. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks they have already start preparing if he doesn't make another jump this year. The thing that have made me wonder, while doing some detective work. The Redshirt freshman from South Carolina, Lanorris Sellers. He has crazy potential and improved greatly throughout the season last year. I saw we had 11 south carolina players in for our top 30s including 5 or 6 that were expected to go undrafted. It's a bit of a conspiracy theory but could they already be doing a lot of research on Sellers by talking to his teammates. Again, I'm not a Bryce hater and I think the best option is he continues to make a jump this season. It's just something that has stood out to me.

It was Eric the pff guy. He controlled a lot of our draft this year. He has stated before you give up picks to trade up for QB specifically, any other positions you do pick swaps.

I like Ransom fine, I'm fine with the pick, I just have no idea why we never care about a coverage safety.

If you don't value him as a starter then he's not going to be worth all the noise that's going to come with him. Ive basically heard if no one values him enough to take him in the 4th round then he's probably going to go undrafted because then the ratio of noise to value gets more skewed after that.

That's how the Eagles draft too. They brought in an analytics guy like that too.

You mean a quick shifty receiver like we've needed for years? (minus the diontae Johnson games)

Again, I specifically pointed out trading next year's first was bad. I am talking value based on where a player was selected. Pick 15 and pick 26. Both players were a big time need for them and both players were expected to go earlier.

I wasn't saying anything about competing with division rivals. I was saying Falcons had a clear need and clearly addressed it and still got good value with their picks. They didn't reach and they also didn't pick a player that makes no sense for them. We reached by a few picks and picked another big wr with no quickness on a team with the slowest offense in the NFL. We picked a guy with a #2 ceiling at pick 8 with no #1.