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Very good point. Just don't have time go back and watch the full versions.

nfldraftbreakdown was the site and it was amazing. Now its still something draft related but not worth anyones time. Had more than just QB't too, some maniacs took the time to cut up the games to just snaps WR's just blocked in or were targeted. Same for other positions too. Luckily, as I am sure you know(but sharing for those that don't ) now days you can still find most of the same stuff on YouTube by typing a players name vs opponent. For example "Bryce Young Vs Tennessee" I also agree with you that the best way to get an idea of a prospect is to actually watch whatever game footage you can find online that showcases how they do throughout entire games vs just highlights. Takes only a few more minutes to watch 4-5 entire games than you just watching 1-2 highlight videos so well worth the investment. I also appreciate the advanced stats too, because it forces me to go back and watch if it doesn't align with my original thoughts.

That was 2 minutes lol and mostly against Michigan. I stated his last 2 games he showed more of having to go through progressions (Michigan and Georgia). To be clear I have no bias towards Bryce and nothing strongly against CJ. I’ve always said I have CJ as 1A and Bryce as 1B. But I’ve forced myself to hear others opinions, research advanced stats to confirm what I thought I saw, and force me to rewatch and capture things I was wrong on. This guy does a great job of explaining why despite his talent as a pure passer this is why there are questions on Stroud: And if you really want to do a deep dive here’s C.J’s whole 2021 season condensed down into less than a 1.5 hours. Lastly if you want more viewing material, you can literally google Bryce Young vs (insert team) or CJ Stroud vs (insert team) and you will find almost every one of their games condensed down into 10 minutes or less per game. I have literally watched 75% or more of every pass both QB’s have attempted the last 2 years this way and it’s really helped me understand who they are.

Anyone participating? I’m not personally but still fun to look at. According to DraftKings for pick 1 Bryce -1400 Stroud + 700 Richardson + 1500 Pick # 2 odds are Will Anderson +150 Levis +250 Tyree Wilson +250 Stroud +275 Young +850 Jalen Carter +1500 Anthony Richardson +1800 No odds on pick 3. Side note: I wonder how much validity there is to the reports/thoughts of the Texans disliking Strouds agent David Mulugheta( same as Deshaun Watson) so much, that it could be a tiebreaker or some deciding factor in them passing on Stroud. Would the Texans really take Levis or Richardson at 2? Or trade out all together? I’d assume if they don’t take Stroud they have to trade to someone who does. I can’t wait to see where all of these QB’s land.

I really think it’s because he didn’t face enough adversity or consistently demonstrate an ability to look for a 2nd or third read as often as Bryce had to. It’s almost unfair to him that he’s being knocked down a notch because the offense he played in was so efficient that he knew where the ball was going 90% of the time pre-snap and it obviously worked. In his last couple games he really faced tougher situations and actually rose to the occasion quite well, but just had not shown enough of that throughout the year. Lastly, when you go back and look at the 2021 seasons, Bryce really outshined him and it’s easy to see why he won the Heisman that year. On the flip side, CJ has shown consistent improvement and has abilities that just aren’t teachable(incredible timing, accuracy and ball placement). I feel like with Bryce you don’t have to project or guess as much what he is or can be. C.J you have to use your imagination a bit. Lastly we don’t know how they interviewed and did on the chalk board in private meetings. Clearly that had a big role in this whole decision.

I’m not a fan or pro comps but if you insist google Fran Tarkenton highlights. Getting a weird message when trying to embed videos, so you’ll need to take an extra 2 seconds and google him.

I concur that it's not 100% definitive but from my perspective and for the reasons I listed, it sure seems very likely.

It didn't seem like a hypothetical answer when asked about a nutrition plan for Bryce. I'd have to go back and watch again for the exact quote, but is was something to the effect of "we will", vs if we took him we would. The answer about the pre-draft visits regarding Levis and Stroud coming today seemed like a politician trying to sound politically correct but it sure seems they have already made up their mind and have all but they have. Maybe meeting Stroud in person was a requisite for that but that's the impression I get. Lastly the little smirk at the end they all showed on the last question when asked if anyone really impressed them on their personal visit and he answered with a WR he won't name, I think will be something Fitt,Cole and Morgan will high five and laugh about because he didn't take the bait and say Bryce.

They won't come out and say it but it seems clear Bryce is the pick.

That is truly an undeniable fact and will likely be forgotten when the history is written.

I have watched multiple games of each QB multiple times. I’ve dug around and found every advanced stat I can find, listened to opinions of multiple experts online and on NFL radio. That being said, I still don’t know who the better player is. Bryce has shown more versatility on tape because he’s had to. Stroud has shown he’s incredibly consistent with accuracy and ball placement. He hasn’t however had to dance around in the pocket nearly as much as Bryce has. It’s been reported Bryce is probably the most ready to learn and execute an NFL playbook. Stroud has a closer prototypical build for the position. Both players are only 21 years old and far from a finished project. There’s not a large enough of degree of separation for anyone to adamantly suggest one will be substantially more successful than the other. Bottom line is I believe both players have shown that they can do what the other has. The biggest difference is how often they had to do it and difference in not only the systems they were in but also their supporting cast. Then there’s the extreme underdog/wildcard, Anthony Richardson possesses something neither of them come close to in physical prowess. However he’s hardly shown anything nearly as impressive as Stroud and Young have with consistency and accuracy. I have full confidence in Young and Stroud being successful with us and I trust the staff to make the right choice.

Wow good for him. That playoff run was amazing.

I should have clarified, if you were to trade the pick today which QB's would you trade for right now making the pick. My answer would be in this order: 1. Mahomes 2. Joe Burrow 3. Josh Allen 4. Justin Herbert Outside of them the question becomes a little tougher. But other possibilities would have to be. Jackson, just iffy on him because of his injury history and how he's been during free agency this year. Lawrence, I have not seen more than a couple of his games and his stats so far don't seem to support the hype around him. Hurts, I loved what he did during that playoff run. However that's my only exposure to him and he his stats aren't amazing either.

Just something fresh to talk about.

All things considered, age, contract, etc. Which active NFL QB’s would you gladly trade our current number 1 pick for?

I’m old enough to remember when teams sat players down in front of a Nintendo and had them play duck hunt to test this skill.

Great assessment. Based on years prior I think there’s always great value to be had at WR/CB in round 2.

Love this type of content, thanks for sharing!

While I do believe people in the media will run with any tidbit of info they receive and combine that with their own opinion/thoughts I absolutely refuse to believe any NFL team is fooled by said smokescreens leaked through the media.

Shame on all of us who didn't take the free money by betting on Young when 2 weeks ago and now betting on Stroud today.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/category/analysis/nfl-teams-moving-out-from-under-cenet-riding-shotgunnfl-teams-riding-shotgun/ According to this article 66% of all snaps were in the Shotgun formation last year. Only 3 teams took more than 50% of their snaps from under center and one of those was the patriots who also have a former Alabama QB (Mac Jones) who rarely took snaps under center in college.

Really worth reading the entire scouting reports linked (same author, Dave Richard CBS sports). Bryce Young https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/bryce-young-2023-nfl-draft-profile-fantasy-football-scouting-best-fits-dynasty-advanced-stats-more/ C.J Stroud https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/fantasy-football-2023-dynasty-landing-page-with-new-rookie-only-mock-nfl-draft-profiles-rankings-and-more/ Also if you like advanced stats and have not come across this site, it's worth checking out as well:https://nfldraft.sportsinfosolutions.com/nfl-draft/home Young's page https://nfldraft.sportsinfosolutions.com/prospect/bryce-young Stroud's page https://nfldraft.sportsinfosolutions.com/prospect/c-j-stroud Bryce and C.J tied for 1st in their overall metric at a score of 99 a piece and most other metrics they are very close on as well. A few highlights from that sight include ( 22 season stats unless otherwise noted) Average depth of completion (yards beyond the line of scrimmage). Stroud led here by a little over a yard per completion. 8.3 Yards vs 7.2 Yards for Bryce On target %. Young led here. 77% for Young vs 74% for Stroud Young had a higher passer rating vs pressure, man defense and short throws. Stroud had a higher rating vs Zone defense and mid range throws. Stroud only had rushing yards from scrambling 32 times over last 2 years vs Young who scrambled for yardage 65 times Lastly to my surprise Young had a better passer rating on deep passes (20+ yards beyond los) than young, granted they don't detail the exact rating's, so could still be very close.

1A.Stroud 1B.Young That being said, not only do we not have the expertise and experience the decision makers have, we also don’t have the access to intel, knowledge, advanced analytics etc. So I fully trust them as long as it’s one of those 2.

oh, I read it wrong! Thanks

Did you invert the names on accident here? You'd be holding your breath every time Stroud (the bigger one) took a hit?