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We're not in a position to sweep the room clear. We've clearly improved as a team under Morgan / Canales / Evero. They're just hamstrung by Young's poor play and the Draft picks they lost acquiring him. If Tepper expects a quick turn around after the crater Fitterer left us in then he's a fool.

I don't see an NFL starter in Beck. He's an absolute dawg, but you're always waiting for the next mistake with him and his deep ball is mediocre.

You realise giving Brady, Brees, Manning 38 seconds and 3 TOs used to be a death sentence, right? Now I know they're all Hall of Famers, but they got the same treatment Young has received - no viable backup, it's your ship to steer, loads of investment in talent around them.

Well besides paying Young $27m for replacement level play of course. There's nothing wrong with the coaching staff and the roster very much is a rebuild in process. It's still not an attractive proposition for a Head Coach with this meddling owner in charge.

I mean Reich literally quiet quit when they drafted Young. You could see the light go out of his eyes. The highly respected NFL HC (and original Panther!) was fired mid-season because he knew he couldn't win with Young. Any self-respecting franchise would have seen his play and pivoted, moving on from Young that year, but no we continue to trot him out there with no competition. It's maddening.

I've just noticed your avatar. You're clearly a troll.

If I'm their agents I look at the clusterfug in Charlotte and steer my client well away. We've never had a legitimate QB competition in the time Young has been here and they've just promised to give him $27m after 3 years of inept play. I don't say to my client "well when he falters again you'll get a chance" because I don't honestly believe that to be the case.

Why don't you apply those same standards to Young?

I don't think any of those guys are accepting a contract to backup Bryce Young. It's insulting.

I don't think we should spent $27m on a replacement level player. I'm a Miami Hurricanes fan, so I have zero affinity for Howell, he's just objectively a better QB than Young.

I just listed 4 QBs that are better than Young that are making less, combined, than his 5th year option. This year we have the chance to go out and sign Howell, Lance, Minshew and Willis. We of course won't because we don't want to hurt Bryce's feelings.

Jameis Winston is getting paid $4m this year. Davis Mills is getting paid $7m this year. Sam Howell is getting paid $1m this year. Gardner Minshew is getting paid $1m this year. So yes, yes I do.

How has he done enough to warrant his 5th year option?!

So you're not a fan of winning football games then?

Stupid fuging *****.

You have to have sound footing to call out the DC. As Umanmielen routinely ran himself out of plays he's not the guy to throw those stones.

No because we traded the world for him and crippled the franchise. He's a replacement level player.

But he was the #1 overall pick (forget what we traded for him for a moment). A 5'10", noodle armed #1 overall pick. He wasn't meant to need development. He was the most 'football ready' QB in the Draft.

Horn hasn't really been given a chance.

Big fan of thieves and rapists are you?

Game on the line. 40 seconds. 3 TOs. Only need a FG. Did he turn up? Did he bollocks.

Bain is a Top 10 pick.

Will be interesting to see how we handle this. Historically off-the-ball LBs (and TEs and Ss) haven't been seen as first round talents. You spend first rounders on CBs, OT, QB, WR, DE and DT.

He's an easy way to boil it down. Did you think he was going to march us down the field at the end of the game for the FG to tie it up?

He's lost 4 out of the last 5 games, my dude. No time for sympathy in the NFL. This is year 3 for him. He hasn't produced, again.