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We have no pass rushers - no linemen, no LB's, no secondary - none. Why blitz with ineffective people and leave ineffective people behind trying to cover? You will just get burned by slants and runs even more so than we already do. We are so bad at run defense we can't afford to miss by blitzing.

The answer is always "it depends on the contracts" - good news is RB's aren't super expensive and Sanders will be cut next year regardless, so Chuba is probably gonna be a resign. MJ has been decent and shouldn't be too expensive. Diontae might want too much money but he has clearly been worth the resign if he has reasonable expectations. I much more worried about what we do for LB's, DE's, T's, and C next year.

Agreed - Wonnum @ $6M could be outstanding. People crying about Jewell but the man is the 47th highest paid LB....experience in the system and leadership at only $6M? I'll take it. Nijman should be a good one also for depth and Jordan Fuller is solid. I really don't understand any Morgan hate at this point. This BS about Frazier over Brooks is only because Brooks hasn't played yet. If he comes in and looks like a top 10 RB like most people expect there won't be any reasonable complaints.

I think you are being extremely critical considering you have seen only 2 games - we are talking about long term here not assuming these guys will be the same in 2 years as they are now. By that assessment you would have been wrong about hundreds of guys who took more than 2 games (101 snaps) to become high end. My point wasn't as much a comment specifically about these guys - it was to answer the question about what we should do in 8 months at the next draft when these guys have a full season under them. You sound like you think they have all hit their ceiling or close to it - seems overzealous.

By high end guys I mean high end draft picks - starters with potential. I don't think it is at all ridiculous to think the 3 possibly 4 guys I mentioned qualify for that. XL is already starting, Brooks was the top RB in the draft and considered by most to be starter caliber, so if one of the other 2 start regularly we are good. "High end" in this context I meant to say we don't need to worry about them as a priority in the draft because we are safe there - since the thread was asking what we do in the next draft. The 91 is my bad - I had just yesterday looked at the standings and flipped our total with the Saints first 2 games. That is what I get for going from memory.

Let's assume Dan and Dave are who we thought they were - the QB cultivator and the tough GM who was held back by Fitts. If that is true then the 2024 draft will yield 2-3 high end guys, probably XL, Brooks, and Wallace or JT. Maybe Dave tried to save face for Bryce and let him collapse on field to justify what he already knew - this guy ain't it. If that is true then we will win 3-4 games this year and probably pick 3-6. As it stands now there is not a top 5 pick caliber QB out there according to most analysts - if we take one there we are overpaying. So I would probably take the best available or trade down to a comfortable spot for one of the possible 1st RD QB's like Ward, Beck, "other who rises". Our defense cannot be overlooked as being atrocious right now too. We have given up 91 points in 2 games - even if half that is due to poor offense and Bryce we are one of the worst in the league.

At this point I am worried about the rest of the young guys and their development. Mingo, Brooks, XL, Sanders, Hubbard all need a solid QB to see what we have in them and grow around whoever we have at QB. Plummer had 3 preseason games and showed barely anything against 3rd stringers until game 3 - I say go with Dalton to develop the rest of the offense. I have been one of the consistent drum bangers of "we don't know if Bryce is bad yet until we fix the rest". Welp - the O-line has done a MUCH better job through 2 games and Bryce has looked absolutely atrocious. I will buy some of the play calling has been poor, especially yesterday, but you can now see that Bryce has vision issues, poor footwork, poor pocket presence, holds the ball too long, and can't throw well on the run. Those are clearly displayed now - I wouldn't give him more than 2 more games to show it is fixed and I would pull him to develop in practice.

No doubt

Not sure you know what statistics are.

ALWAYS depends on what is offered and who is available - but definitely a maybe. At least right now the 2nd rounder we got from the Rams looks like a great pickup since they have lost both their Pro Bowl WR's temporarily. And the 2025 crop of QB's ain't lookin too great...certainly not a clear cut top 5 pick at the moment. Trade down for a monster haul, bridge with someone else, 2026-2029 we stockpile and dominate the 2030's! Such a sad story considering it is 2024......

See - a fair assessment - I don't agree with it at this point, but I don't get upset.

Gotta love when I make it extremely clear that I am generalizing Fans and including myself in the group I am saying has unrealistic expectations - yet you snowflakes find a way to take it personal. Corbett is a very possible deficiency, so is Ickey, so is 30-yr old Moton if he declines. We also possibly don't have a top 25 TE, top 20 WR, top 60 2nd WR, or TOP 15 RB. We have a 1st time HC and 1st time OC installing a brand new offense. These are all significant risks that will have heavy influence on the play and results of the QB. Everyone's opinion on that is different - I tend to look at the years and terabytes of data that prove statistical significance. But again I included myself in the category of FANS - so I am not a professional - just an armchair analyst - I don't claim to be an expert. Some of yall need to go pop a Xanax...it is just football.

One thing these threads always over analyze is - how bad does he need to move on? We are mostly fans, not analysts or coaches or scouts. So our expectations are Top 10 QB or BUST! I understand that BY was the #1 pick, so expectations are higher. But whether you move on or not for anyone who ACTUALLY knows football well is different. If he is in the Top 20 in year 2 with CLEAR deficiencies around him we will absolutely not be moving on - potential will still be too high, cost too good, and replacements too few. The right decision is still to keep him. As fans we wanna win it all every year, but that is ridiculous to accomplish in 1-2 drafts. Keeping him may actually help get a better QB in 2-3 years instead of reaching next year and missing out on someone like JJ Watt or Von Miller.

I would bet it will be Zappe - and I would scoop him up immediately without apology. He is a serviceable backup with significant starter experience, low cost, and young.

Mingo last season didn't look ready to be an outside receiver - he looked like he could be a decent slot guy. But due to team needs he got forced into a role he wasn't ready for and had passes forced at him all season. He is being completely overlooked by most entities but I think he still has a ton of upside - I hope he sees a huge upswing this year. TMJ I am just sick of hearing about - right or wrong mentally I am just done. He has had 3 seasons where they hype him up and shows absolutely nothing during the season but drops and disappearance. Might be unfair but I can't waste brain power on him anymore - I want him pushed to the PS and let Coker get his reps. That kid might be amazing and deserves the same chance TMJ has wasted for 3 friggin years.

They also play in the AFC East, so 15 years of Brady, 5 years of Allen - most years they could win 10 games and miss the Playoffs or squeak into a rough Wild Card game. Still tremendously better than us most years in the last 9.

You didn't think a 2-win season where the HC was fired mid-season, the owner threw a drink on a fan on camera, our QB had one of the worst seasons statistically in history, and we went into the offseason without the #1 overall pick or any 1st rounder was rock bottom? Love the optimism

McGowans and Poku both gone now too. The way Geuye played the first Summer League game maybe he slides in there at the 4 spot bench - assuming he keeps it up?

The thread is about who we think would be a Darkhorse breakout player, so stats would be the criteria.

ESPN currently has Jonathan Brooks ranked #20 amongst RB's for 2024....seems wild to me but that would be amazing. Mainly because of our current RB room and his knee recovery more so than personal potential.

Yeah - why would we be? The NBA is all about Superteams and Championship runs. None of the splash guys are going to go here until we hit a few stars to build around. LaMelo and BMiller aren't big enough....and Bridges' future is uncertain. 1 Star won't get us a deep playoff run....probably an appearance and 1st round exit.

I've seen so much negative response to this deal. We gave up 2 second round picks (basically nothing) for a 23-yr old who shoots 38-40% from 3, is an above average defender, started half the year last year, has Finals experience. This is a young, inexpensive, great shooting, high-upside role playing guard....isn't that something we need?

Works for me!

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/mavericks/2024/07/01/dallas-mavericks-klay-thompson-sign-trade-warriors/ Details still being worked out....stay tuned!

Anyone got inside info on what we traded for Reggie Jackson and 3X 2nd RD picks? I would assume not much and we release Jackson but...