Stingray3030

Bridging until you get a franchise QB is a very common strategy - and yes it does work. There are tons of examples. It's not like most of the teams in the NFL just go from franchise QB to franchise QB without bridges - they all do it. Some teams like Chicago and the Jets drop way too much draft stock and trade up to failure, some get lucky with Mr. Irrelevant. But all of them sign bridge QB's while they try to find the next Franchise. If you want to ignore the reality of the team's current situation and trade picks for one of these QB's that is fine, but don't act like bridge QB's until you get a true franchise QB in the draft is wrong - it happens every year with extremely successful franchises.

Darnold, Trubisky are two examples - they went #3 and #2 in their drafts that teams gave up a ton thinking they were top tier franchise QB's.....yes it does happen. But your last point was exactly what I said - you win some you lose some....but only some teams trade tons of picks for the risk and they usually regret it.....like the Jets and Bears.....who still suck because of it.

You all are experts at missing the point....the point was trading up for the #2 ranked QB on the board which in 2021 was Wilson. The risk that he ends up the same as Wilson are higher than him ending up like Trevor is the point. Try and catch it. And don't you EVER use a meme from one of the most underrated movies of all time against me again...show respect to Face Off

My point wasn't their prospect rating - it was that the guy you trade up and draft could be either of those 2 possibilities while Carr is a known talent. had nothing to do with Trevor's potential - it is his reality

Wasn't talking to just you - but that is a useless comparison as I stated above. Trevor Lawrence has thrown more interceptions in the postseason than Baker too - equally as useless

All of yall comparing Carr to Baker are cherry picking your stats - you can't compare total INT's.....you compare INT %. Carr threw alot more than Baker. For their careers Carr had an INT % of 2.0 vs Baker at 2.8 - HUGE difference. 2.0 puts him around 13-15 in the league, 2.8 is one of the worst Carr's Passer rating is 91.8 vs Baker at 86....again huge difference. That would put him 16-17 in the league vs Baker at 25+ Carr also only won 6 games in 2022, but 4 games he led a 4th quarter comeback and 3 they won - you cannot understate how important that is when judging a QB. Baker has had 7 GWD's total in his career where Carr has had 33 - even half that is double Baker over the same time frame Keep in mind those first 2 stats include 2022 which was his worst in both categories - so either you believe we get the 3-time Pro Bowl, top 10 statistically QB and 2022 is an exception, or that 2022 is the future Carr. But at least the evaluation is reasonable stats. Carr is nowhere near as bad as Baker or Darnold - he has been a top 10 QB his whole career

Today's NFL more than ever is about passing QB's - I think mobile QB's like Rogers, Wilson, Murray, Mahomes, Trevor are taking over due to the defenses getting so much faster/better the last decade. Pocket passers still have significant success, but the running QB still hasn't been able to dominate consistently. If Hurts wins the SB he will be the first running QB in NFL history to do so....that might be the start of that style being consistent but it won't change the fact that it hasn't before. The irony is he won't be first because he ran better than the other - it will be because his arm was better - so it is still the QB arm that is most important. I'll take leadership and an accurate arm over a Wildcat QB all day long.

Lamar doesn't escape the definition - he is clearly a running QB. His career he averages 175 passing yd/gm and rushes 10-12 times. And he runs primarily an RPO and designed QB run scheme. His passing accuracy numbers are definitely better than previous running QB's, but his postseason performance shows the same problem - he can run successfully but is forced to use his arm to win and he can't....

Because of the reasons I stated - our current draft position, teams ahead of us who need a QB, the cost of moving up, not the strongest QB options in the draft, the guys available in FA, cap space.... You don't overpay for a drafted QB just because you need a QB....if you don't see them as a long term Top 10 QB you don't draft them 9th....period. Would you rather have 3 solid years of QB play and all our picks the next 2 years, or risk a QB bust giving up 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks to move up? For reference here are 2 scenarios that are very possible with our current situation: Option #1 - Carr, #1 WR in draft, #2 TE or #2 MLB Option #2 - Zach Wilson (but looks like CJ Stroud), same WR's and TE's we have now cause you traded our 2nd and 3rd round pick to move up Option #1 is all but guaranteed real if you can get Carr - the draft picks aren't guaranteed to be special but you have a very good shot. Option #2 you could get the next Zach Wilson or the next Trevor Lawrence....only about a 20-30% chance at best.....and you are guaranteed to lose 2 of the best prospects at their position to trade up for him. Opinions differ, but I believe the smarter play given the situation we are in is my original post. It isn't that I was bridge QB's - but I don't see the next Trevor, Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Hurts, or Jackson in this draft....certainly not enough to make me give up top picks to get Stroud over AR. If it was 2021 I would gladly give up those picks for Trevor....even before this past season.....but none of these guys look like that.

Mahomes is not a running QB - he is a mobile QB. That is a pass-first QB who runs at times when he scrambles and occasional designed runs. They have roll out plays as a standard of their game. Russell Wilson, younger Rogers, Mahomes, Trevor A running QB runs as a primary function of his game - RPO, designed runs. Cam Newton, Lamar, Vick, RGIII Hurts MAY have success long term as a running QB, but so far he has 2 seasons....longevity and consistency is always the issue. If he loses the SB he would be 2-2....don't crown him yet.

Running QB's don't win in the post season.....never have....doesn't look like they will any time soon. And AR doesn't look even close to ready. HARD PASS

They play QB in the NFL.....other than that not so sure.

I am hoping Raiders....it would likely include giving up the first round pick this year which is one less QB needy team ahead of us.

You are certainly welcome to your opinion - but for a lower price I am good with him for a few years.

I still think the best move for us given our needs, draft spots, money available, and available FA's is this: Re-sign Bozeman & Foreman Sign preferably Carr to a 3-yr deal.....or Jimmy G to a 1-2 yr....and Darnold to a 2-yr deal @$7-8M. Darnold is the clear backup to protect injury worries, Corral sits and learns. This QB class doesn't appear to have enough potential for a #9 pick and we can't really afford to give away much more to move up very far. So unless Stroud falls into our lap at 9 I take a chance with a Vet and use the 9 pick elsewhere Sign Gesicki, Van der Esch, Dean, Bates, David Long.....get at least 2 of those as massive upgrades. My #1 desire past QB in FA is Long. The MLB is the QB of the defense and we have never been the same since LUKE....we have to get that squared up Use our picks to fill the gaps - since we have QB solved take one of the top WR's or Edge rushers or DL with #9. 2nd rounders go to a TE, MLB, CB, S, OL depending on availability and what we got in FA. I could see us getting Mayer, Sewell, Hargrove, Carter II, Ricks.....lots of solid talent in what we need in the 2nd round this year. I'd rather sure up QB in a Vet instead of trading 2nd round picks to move up I'm not saying all of this is possible....just listing a strategy and a group of possible fits

He didn't compare him to Willis statistically - he compared the level of over-hype without statistical backup. Same could be compared to Zach Wilson....Trey Lance....over-hyped draft bait that rarely works out but teams bite on. Personally I agree AR is a HARD pass at #9......RD 2 or 3 maybe....

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Cam was not a great QB - never - not even in 2015. I get so tired of seeing Carolina fans exaggerate his performance and give him excuses. In absolutely NO WAY did Cam carry this team to the Superbowl in 2015. LUKE KUECHLY carried this team with our defense. We had the easiest schedule in the league - our defense was 1st in TO's and our offense was 2nd in the league in starting field position. The ONLY stat that was exceptional for Cam that year as a QB was total TD's....because he had the shortest fields against the worst teams in the league! His passing stats were still ALL 8th or worse in the league....literally the defense carried us and the ONLY reason he won MVP is because we were 15-1. He easily has the worst stats of an MVP in the last 20 years. I don't ever want Cam part 2....ever....in no season of his career would I have chosen him as our QB over the others if we could choose. Andrew Luck staying in college screwed us for a decade.

I'd re-sign Sam either way - he has shown to be a solid backup QB. Let Corral develop and start Sam if we can't get a top 2-3 QB or sign a FA.

"Lawrence was trash before Pederson" This is a ridiculous comment. Trevor has never been trash - not even close. He is as elite of a QB prospect as most of us will ever see. Pederson didn't develop him much - he developed because his OLine was improved, he had a consistent top 10 RB, a legitimate top 25WR, an actual starting TE, and incredibly better defensive play to keep him in games. Pederson had a big influence on the culture and personnel, but he didn't develop w guy like Richardson into 2022 Trevor....he took one of the best QB prospects in decades and fixed everything around him - only probably 10% of Trevor's personal development was Pederson. Richardson is LIGHT YEARS behind Trevor as a prospect - the guy looked bad in big games, had 1 year as a starter, and has a LONG way to go in his passing skills. He is the prototypical over-hyped running QB that everyone thinks will finally be THE ONLY running QB to have great success in the NFL. He is not a 1st rd pick right now....no coach will develop him in the next few years if at all. Lamar Jackson was a much better prospect and he was 32nd overall - granted that is a bit low, but he wasn't a top 10 prospect at the time - he is by far the exception not the rule.

HC - as much as I like the idea of Sean Payton he is just too expensive for a franchise like us right now. We can't afford the pick(s) we would lose. One of these top OC's I could see or even Wilks I am good. I am not as confident in any of them particularly QB - 100% NO to Anthony Richardson - I truly don't get the hype at all. I understand the potential but he has shown nothing but flashes, was bad against good teams, and has only 1 year as a starter. Even if he is good it will be a few years away and we don't have anyone to teach him. Yes I've seen highlights and games...bottom line he is currently an inaccurate, running QB - that doesn't win Superbowls - maybe some day but not now and never has. Darnold absolutely HAS NOT earned a 2-yr starter contract. Not sure how you could watch that NO game and say he hasn't been bad this year. He managed games - that is all. I am good with signing his as a backup only for a much lower contract. The guy finsihed the season with a Comp % well below 60% and INT % above 2.0. His 5th year in the league he is no better than his rookie year. QB again - my reasonable dream would be to sign Derek Carr after he is cut. He is still a very good QB, very good leader, and should be a very good mentor to a young QB like Corral or anyone else we draft later. As long as his contract reflects a guy who got cut and is 32-yr old this year we could afford it. Draft - there is no way we can afford the trade up for Stroud or Young - young QB are never guaranteed and we are multiple players away from a SB without enough FA to fill traded picks. I have no confidence in the next 2 QB's as worth #9 so I would go Quinton Johnston or Jordan Addison or a top LB or EDGE depending on what is there. I would take Meyer (if he dropped ALOT) or a top TE or EDGE with the 2nd pick - or a good CB if possible there. FA - Bozeman I agree is a must and I would love to resign Foreman - now that is a guy who earned a contract. But we desperately need a MLB and CB's. Hopefully we find some solid upgrades accross some other areas too Marvin Jones? 33-yr old.....wasn't very good with Trevor? HECK NO. And Chark is just OK....more of a 3rd WR IMO and not much of an upgrade over TMJ. And also they are expensive - we need money elsewhere badly

Did you read the quote I was replying to? He described Fields as an elite runner who struggles with health and throwing the ball. That is exactly who Richardson looks like at the moment....only he is even worse at the college level than Fields, so will be worse in the pros

100% agree - and this is exactly who Anthony Richardson is not worth a 1st round pick. His numbers in college are much worse than Fields

People - cmon - how many times are y'all gonna keep saying "we need to upgrade our TE" - "get taller receivers" - that is just trying to fix symptoms of the real problem. You don't win Superbowls with TE's and WR's....you win them with Defense, OLine, and QB play....period. We haven't had a MLB defensive captain since Luke. We haven't had a good OLine since 2011. We haven't had a consistent, top tier QB dang near ever. We had Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, DJ Moore, CMC and never consistently saw the playoffs...Give me a top 10 QB, top 10 OLine, or a top 10 MLB or stop making excuses....we have spent the last 12 years focused on the wrong things. Go look at the teams who are consistently in the playoffs and they all have at least 2 of those 3 things.

There is zero chance Atlanta is interested in this - he is literally their #1 target and it isn't close...