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That is not at all true - we have renegotiated, cut, and traded everything just have what we have now and enough to sign the draft class....there is nothing left on our end. Arizona and Nuk are in full control....unless he is willing to take a pay cut or Ariz pay his salary as I said there is no way. "They'll find a way" is not real.

Sadly we can't afford him unless they take on a big portion of his contract.....due $19M

He was around 13-15 statistically and missed 4 games.....in a full season he is potentially a top 10 TE. Keep in mind he also played in Cinn where they had 3 of the top 35 WR's in the league, so targets weren't easy to come by.

At pick #39 we may be able to get a stud WR, but having all these other holes filled means we could definitely trade 39 & another pick to move back into the 1st round and grab one....I think there are 4-5 #1 WR in this draft and many could be there in the 20's. If we sign Theilen & Jamaal Williams, then grab a guy like Zay Flowers, JSN, Johnston.....imagine.

Ya know - last time we picked up a TE in his 5th year who was drafted in the 1st round and had similar productivity he ended up with back to back to back 1000yd seasons......interesting

You directly quoted me lol - guess that was confusing

My comments were 100% complimentary - no idea what you mean

They guy averaged 4.1/carry - fewer big runs makes this more impressive. The TD's are a nice bonus meaning tough at the GL, but he had 262 carries - that is a starter to pair with Chuba....love it. For a decent price I take this all day.

Some of y'all are funny - a 2nd string QB is very important - it is both a mentor AND a potential starter. You can't act like just because we have McCown we don't need a vet backup to mentor - we do. You can't act like we don't need a potential starter - we do....hello....Lisfranc in preseason.... The goal is to get both without spending much....personally I think it is likely Wentz or Brissett or Mariota...all depends on their thoughts of trying to still be starters.

It's called Incredible Flexibility people.....and this Defense is becoming ELITE....get ready...

at pick #1 there is no conversation except Stroud or Young.....any other thought is ridiculous....awful....horrible....pick your word for insanely stupid

I am with you on with you on everything except that this is a very weak WR class - Johnston, Addison, Smith-Njigba, Flowers, Downs, Dell are all very good and should be gone by pick 50. If we get any of the first 5 I mentioned they are solid potential #1's.

The best QB mentor we can pick up IMO is Wentz....not because we want him on the field, like at all, but because he knows Reich's expectations and can be that 4th voice behind Reich, Brown, and McCown to physically show the new QB on the field during practice. And he is a decent enough backup in case of injury...and should be cheaper than most.

Richardson @ 9 I could live with although I believe it is a mistake.....trading all this for Richardson @ #1 is a ridiculous move. Even if he ends up being great you could have him well below there....it has nothing to do with his value and everything to do with his "perceived value". If they did this and take Richardson I have lost tremendous confidence in this staff.

very good option on the cheap

Adding more context - I watched his combine interview - you can tell ALOT from an interview that everyone seems to ignore. All the skill in the world is useless if their Leadership and Maturity are off. In his interview he said alot that I liked - best thing was when asked what he is working on he was very specific. He said he knew he needed to work on his lower half - not his running as much as footwork and mobility when passing. He said he was watching tape on Burrow and trying to emulate how he gets his lower half set so his upper half is consistent. Now I know that doesn't mean much by itself, but that is an outstanding answer. It shows a humble, self-aware guy working on the little things to focus on technique...not the "I know what I can do" or "just picking up the new system and learn everything I can" guys who just say stuff at interviews to get through. That is a Leader's answer....a mature answer. The best QB's are the ones who can tell you those details. Skill has to be there too....but for a combine answer that was fantastic

Elf & Shaq get released, DJ & Moton get restructured, we trade for Henry, sign Hardman & Okereke - all that looks pretty amazing combined with #1 overall....could get exciting soon

Agree here big time - everyone tends to focus on physical skills and college stats - but these guys have to now lead GROWN MEN in a business world. Leadership skills and decision making are every bit as important physical skills. Make a list of super talented guys who were bad QB's cause of their leadership and poor decisions.....very long list For a WR or RB this isn't nearly as critical....but QB is the Field General.....completely different animal

Understood, but it also depends on who you are moving up for....at some point it isn't worth what is being asked for. Moving up to 3rd given the first 2 might be QB limits the value also - and at some point the cost to go to #1 may be more reasonable. Honestly most are saying two additional 1st's and this year's 2nd gets you the #1 pick - I would probably just go that route if moving to 3 is this expensive

A 1st and 2nd to move up from 9 to 3 is way overpriced - in a reasonable world the value difference is 850, so two 2nd's will be worth around 1000 and should cover it....a 1st and a 2nd would be 1500 value which is nuts. They may want that but I don't think we have to go that far...or add anything more. It definitely isn't worth it then

Trading to 3 makes sense to me for the right price - by Draft Value we could get to #3 only giving up our 2nd RD pick this year and next (#39 pick only). We would still have the late 2nd this year and keep all our 1st in the future. If that lands us Stroud, Young, or Levis I think it is worth it. Plus if we did feel the need to jump to #1 it should really only take an additional 1st rounder next year to do it, which overall means we gave up one 1RD and two 2RD's to get to the first spot....that isn't horrible.

If you trust the Draft Value charts then #9, #39, and 2024 2RD should be enough to get to #3. As much as I hate losing the picks if we can get Stroud there I am all in. I just don't want us spending 3X 1RD picks+ for the top....such an overpayment when the expected value of Stroud vs Young is slim.

Trading up to 5 and landing Stroud I am 100% onboard - Not horribly expensive.....looked great in college, looked great at the combine - if he interviews well there really shouldn't be any red flags.

Hooker at 61 is a good value....that was my vote, but I am also on the fence about Levis @ 9...I just don't know enough about him to be sure either way. Young or CJ would be great but from 9 I agree not worth the cost....would rather BPA and find QB elsewhere like this or FA. I'm tired of bridge QB's too but ignoring the reality we sit with is a big mistake

If we stay at #9 and Stroud, Young, and Levis are gone I am 100% onboard for this list basically in the order you have them. I want a top WR or Mayer, but I would prefer we hit a stud pass rusher and maybe trade back into RD 1 late to grab that. I have a feeling that won't be too terribly expensive and a realistic possibility. Imagine If we hit Murphy, Mayer (trade up), Hooker, Sewell with our first 3 rounds....absolutely possible and would be ridiculous. The rest of the draft would be gravy!