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Sad part is the rest of the line isn't much better....Ikey is at 61, Bozeman 59, Moton 62, Corbet 60....worst line in the NFL.

What do you mean by "its telling"? I spent 9 years with him as my QB hoping he was as special as everyone claimed...only to be let down time and time and time and time again....one game he looked like his passing got better, 2 games he was awful, rinse repeat....our defense carries him to the Superbowl, he let's us all down with an epically horrible performance and effort....losing record in the playoffs the few times we got there. Disappointment after disappointment, yet just good enough to never get a replacement so we were stuck in mediocre QB hell for a decade...spending all our picks to "tailor our offense to his skills" which means stupid draft picks. We are only 2 seasons removed from his 0-5 return....what do you mean "all these years?"

I just hope we get it right this year - we normally miss on the 2nd round WR pick

Only edit I have for this post - we will draft the wrong one in the 2nd round. I wanna like Mingo - but we coulda had Rashee Rice, Marvin Mims, Tank Dell, or Josh Downs

Clemson actually - and I have been a Panther fan since the very beginning. Grew up in Rock Hill when they first started there. Trust me I am old enough to have seen plenty of other running QB's - none of them ever win championships because they lose when forced to throw to win....Lamar, Cam, Vick, take your pick. Vick was the better runner, Lamar the best combination, but none ever get it done when teams stack the box and force them to throw. My only point about Bryce is that judging a guy's potential in this nightmare of an offense is ridiculous - no one would look good with this line or garbage skill player group. All you Cam-suckers just look at his MVP and TD's on paper....I watched every game....they were the same....7-10 overthrows or in the dirt, interceptions, bad decisions, missed receivers. He looked no different in 2015 then any other year and his numbers prove it. Luke is a Hall of Famer who deserves the credit you clowns give Cam.

26th in Comp % 16th in Passing Yards 11th in INT % 11th in QBR The ONLY difference in his stats that year and every other year was his TD total.....so let's use our brains a second. If someone throws the same number of passes, for the same yardage, completes the same % of them....why do they have more TD's one season over another???? Hmmmmmm Well that would be called Better Opportunities....and in football what determines if your plays have a better opportunity to result in a TD? Field Position and Momentum.....and who determines starting field position? Defense and Special Teams. We were 2ND in the league in starting field position, 1ST in defensive turnovers, LAST in scoring defense (meaning when we got a TO we didn't score, we gave it to the offense for an easy one), and had the 5th easiest schedule. Cam was an exceptional running QB - not an exceptional QB.

I'll defend that mediocre MVP season right to the ground.....absolutely. Shoulda been Julio Jones

Thank you....literally my point

They were projecting that the last few months after the trade - not the 2 years leading up. And my point was just that everyone had them both 1 & 2. Those projections also were mostly what they thought WE were gonna do, not who was better.

You should go back and read it again.....I said Cam was disappointing, not his rookie season was disappointing

Bryce and CJ were the projected #1 and #2 for 2 years leading up.....everyone had them there. Not disagreeing with you - but you would be hard pressed to find many who truly thought CJ was a star and Bryce was a bust....they all said they were both special.

Yeah all the Cam lovers can come get some....he was a very poor QB. The guy got an MVP on Luke and the defense - not cause he was exceptional - his stats that year were mediocre and the same as every other year. The man had 3 winning seasons in 10 years....he was one of the least accurate QB's in the league his entire career....he had way more talent around him than Bryce does and a much better O-line. He was the best QB THIS franchise ever had, because we have never had a top 10 QB. As a #1 pick Cam was a disappointment without question.

Now you pivot to a very broad definition of showing something to include running? The ONLY thing Cam, Fields, and Richardson have shown is that they were elite RUNNING Quarterbacks. To date Cam and Fields are terrible overall QB's who couldn't win consistently and turn the ball over at a worst in the league rate. Cam's INT was 2.7% and Fields 3.7%.....those are horrendous. Fields has won 6 games in 2.5 years....Cam nearly had a losing record for his career. Cam never lived up to the #1 pick status and Fields is going to be replaced in 2024....very poor choices for the argument. Cam was every bit as disappointing as Bryce has been so far. Trevor and Stroud I agree showed something.....both in better situations than Bryce - Stroud MUCH better. But I disagree that Bryce has shown you nothing. That's my only point. You watch Bryce and he is clearly better than Bridgewater, Baker, Darnold, Heineke, anyone the last 4 years. His accuracy and decision making is light years ahead of all of them and Cam and Fields. Just because he isn't a runner doesn't mean they showed more....they just showed different.

Last thought - you are also saying, if I can paraphrase here "he isn't showing us he is special like 2 of the best QB's of all times - HOF'ers". Those guys didn't show you anything their rookie year either.

Mahomes also had Travis Kelcey....you know HOF TE, one of the best all time in his prime? Plus at least 2 WR's at any given time better than any we have. Plus his O-lines as bad as they were never were as bad as this one. With Rodgers - again he had Romeo Doubs, Allan Lazard, and Cristian Watson.....who on our team is better than any of those 3? It isn't all the QB....Houston we had 4 drops of Bryce completes 80% for more than 300yds...glimpse of special? TLaw is another example - his year 1 was statistically worse than Bryce so far and he had better receivers and O-line even though they sucked. You get him Evan Engram, Christian Kirk, Travis Etienne, and improved O-line a amazingly they make the playoffs. Plus it is not true to say Bryce hasn't shown anything special - he has made multiple great throws to covered receivers in tight windows. The TD throw to Tremble against Houston, multiple scramble away throws to Theilen. If you watch anyone knowledgeable break down his games they show you great accuracy and anticipation and some special plays.

I would love to know who you are referring to....I can give you an example for my side....Aaron Rodgers last year....2-3X more interceptions as his normal year, lowest yardage in his career for a 16 start year, comp % same as Bryce.....and what was the issue? Bad Oline, young-mediocre receivers....much better receivers than we have. Bryce has played 6 games in the NFL in the absolute worst situation possible for a rookie....he isn't overcoming it yet, but acting like elite QB's can have reasonable success with the worst line and receivers in the league is ridiculous.

He is also playing like a guy who is constantly hit by huge dudes...give the man an O-line and watch how the super processor works without "OMG" occurring every play. Panic is real

You need to ask Frank Reich - can't throw to no one

Gees he is making $12M.....yeah let's send him out.....2nd rounder let's go who's buyin?

Donte is the worst tackler on the team and gets burned consistently by decent WR's - but hey he is cheap so let's start him.....

As much as I like Burns he is being wasted.....the smart play is trading him for a 1st and 2nd or 3rd if you can. This team is 2 WR, 3 OLine, 1 DE, 2 LB, 2 CB, 1 TE, possibly 1 RB at least away from the playoffs....you ain't getting all that in the next 2 years without selling some pieces that would be replaced anyway. Burns, Chinn, Jackson, TMJ, Tremble, Thomas, Thielen, Chark, Thompson, Hurst.....they should all be considered available...wouldn't trade em all obviously, but...we are 0-5.....if we are 0-7 by the deadline I mean what do we really have to lose the last 10 games here? They proved they are an 0-7 team.

Steve Smith is my all time favorite Panther....I didn't think I could like him any more than I did when he played.....until last night!

Agree - it is crazy to heap so much blame on the RB's and QB when the O-line has been one of the worst in the league. Sanders had 750 carries averaging 5.0yds per for his career - in 3 games he is 3.4yds per and every says he sucks.....Literally 750 carries vs 40