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True - but I don't think the Giants are in a position to be too picky - especially if Daboll is still there fighting for his job. They don't have any options other than drafting a QB high, so he will go with the consensus best available. I personally don't like Ward's decision making and accuracy. I see him as a late 1st rounder at best. If he was in last year's draft he would have been my 6th or 7th QB.

There are only 4 games left, nearly 0 reasonable FA QB's, and two hugely QB needy teams who have little to no chance of dropping out of the top 4. Sure there is a chance - but it isn't even close to early. Sanders and Ward may both opt out of the Combine - and those workouts aren't gonna make that big of a change - never do. It isn't set but it is highly likely. That said we still won't get a 2nd, a 1st, and a top 15 1st for the 4 spot even if one of those is there. Again you ignore the fact that THEY DROPPED TO 4. The draft value chart will concur that a haul like that is a massive overpay for the 4th pick. Not impossible but about as likely as Bryce coming into camp at 6'2" next year.

Imagine watching your 2nd year QB drive 99 yards trying to put together a game winning drive with multiple scrambles and 3rd down creative plays, only to have his #1 WR drop the potentially game winning TD on a gorgeous throw right on the money to not quite get there on the road against a SB contender. Then waking up and deciding to start a thread about how we are all getting too excited - this is only the 3rd game in a row against 2 Superbowl contenders where this similar scenario played out. Crazy world

If we draft him we get him for 4 years at a massive discount - if he leaves after that to chase $$ so be it. Are we really still pretending ANY of these guys are doing this for the love of the game and their teammates or fans? Guys its a pay day for them - every single one of them - as it would be for you. Ego and immaturity you worry about - chasing money isn't a big deal. If anything it makes them play harder to get it.

I don't get the fascination for Tet - you can't just look at stats. That guy doesn't move anything like Mike Evans or Courtland Sutton or Marques Colston. And his stats are against a weak schedule - propped up by 1 game against a horrible defense where he had 4TD and 300yds. Take that out and he had 4 TD's in 11 games. The best asset of guys like that is red zone, so his TD numbers should be elevated but... I don't see him as the #1 WR. Burden is the #1 WR for me.

You aren't getting that for the 4th pick unless there is a legit QB - which there won't be. And if you did the 1st you got would be in the 20's which means the team doesn't need a QB. So basically it is completely unrealistic. Now moving down in the top 10 and getting a 2nd in return is much more likely and I am good with that if we still get Abdul Carter.

That is a very high level statement - realistically that is true for many of the positions but rarely for EDGE guys. The top EDGE go outta the draft early for a reason - one of which is money. Drafting them in the first round instead of signing a FA will save you $100M+ in 4 years that you can use elsewhere. Outside of QB and OLine they are one of the most expensive positions on the team. The top 10-15 EDGE rushers get drafted and then resigned for big money to stay home - you rarely see them walk in FAgency.

This guy is not as much of a project as you all are reading into it - he is a 3-yr starter for Penn State in a tough conference. He has 10 sacks in 12 games and 20TFL this year. I believe the comment is more that he has only begun to tap into his potential because he is converting to EDGE from LB this year - he is already an effective pass rusher from the stand up, just adding to it in a 3-pt edge stance. In our scheme this position is exactly what he is doing now at a very high level. Just an opinion but his numbers don't look like a project - more a solid start with a fast learning curve, crazy upside potential. Worst case scenario he is our best OLB instead of best EDGE. He is my #1 choice at the moment in case that wasn't obvious lol

This one is crazy - I mean the guy has nobody on the field outside of Jaycee Horn for most of the season. Revolving door at LB. Basically teams could double Clowney, run away from Jewell, and throw away from Horn since he only plays 1 side. But you see how different it became when Wonnum and Fuller came back? Those doubles went away from Clowney, big increase in QB pressure, Jewell isn't getting caught up by the line as much since they have to worry about Wonnum now. And the secondary got more solid and has an easier job since passes are coming out quicker. Imagine what this team will be when DB is back and we have legitimate starting LB's other than Jewell? Evero is fine IMO - you can't ignore the injuries in this instance.

Sorry but that is a funny comment "peak Curtis Samuel over Adam Thielen". Peak Samuel in his mid 20's can't even put up Thielen numbers at 33 years old! You can try and blame his organization and QB but he has Josh Allen this year and has disappeared. They don't even have a clear #1 - he is in his best situation yet and is doing nothing.

That was my point originally - you are replying to my response where a guy said they got better through FAgency. And it wasn't just the 2023 draft - they also built through the 2022 draft with a solid draft (Stingley, Pitre, Harris).

Thielen still has 1 more year on his contract. Palmer would be good for the #3 after that I guess. We probably should look more than 1 year out

The Texans were no better with Diggs than last year - 95% of their success has been the draft. Diggs is their 2nd WR. And the Eagles were a playoff team before they got AJ Brown. They drafted Hurts, Devonta Smith, Goedert, Miles Sanders, the entire defense. It is wild to claim a single WR FA changed a team that much.

I would even go as far as to say most of your better teams let some of their drafted stars walk in FA or be traded at times because they draft so well.

The vast majority of the stars on those teams were all drafted - including every one of the QB's. They were all deep running playoff teams who picked up extra pieces, not bottom of the league rebuilders.

We already have a #3 though....would you want Palmer over Coker/Thielen? I honestly like our top 3 at the moment. If we don't go get a true #1 I would rather leave it as is.

Coker is an ERFA - we have rights but we still have to sign him to a new contract. He was a UDFA so he was on a 1-yr deal. He belongs on the list. As for the team priorities, WR is down the list behind most of our defensive needs. You have XL, Coker, and Thielen - there are certainly upgrades to be had, but WR is not as big a need as EDGE, DL, LB, CB, or Safety at the moment considering contracts and talent. I am all for one of the top 3 WR's if they are Brian Thomas level or better, but not at the sacrifice of most of those defensive needs.

No I mean our 2nd first round pick - if you read the rest of the response I said we could end up with 2 first round picks.

I would love to see our 2nd pick in the 1st RD be a WR like those 2 guys - first pick has to be DL, EDGE, or CB for me. I prefer Abdul Carter. If we end up with a top 3 pick we could work a few trades and end up with 2 firsts.

I love Tee and would love to have him here, but not sure we wanna pay him $20-23M a year given our situation - or if he wants more. Godwin at a discount I would. No other FA WR moves the needle in my opinion and just ties up more money that we need elsewhere. We have quite a few decisions to make for our own FA's: Xavier Woods, Andy Dalton, Brady Christensen, Tommy Tremble, Jordan Fuller, Johnny Hekker, Eddy Piniero, JJ Jansen, Sam Franklin, David Moore, Michael Jackson, Raheem Blackshear, Jalen Coker, Cade Mays, DeShawn Williams Plus guys expiring in 2026 that we may wanna resign now which may or may not impact our cap: DJ Wonnum, Jaycee Horn, Taylor Moton Plus guys we should be cutting and taking a hit: Miles Sanders, others?

Bottom 5 teams still have Pro Bowl players to match up against. You absolutely still see progress. You really need to disappear and drop this. Doubling down is insane.

This is such a stupid take - why does this even still have a thread? How are you supposed to get better as a team? As a franchise? Deliberately lose games but run the plays in a way so you still look like you COULD have done it at a high level if you wanted to? THEN when you have 3-4 years worth of 2-win seasons and secretly successful drafts that look like complete failures with guys missing Pro Bowls, bonuses, endorsements - your franchise losing millions of dollars in revenue due to sucking, you suddenly FLIP ON THE WINNING SWITCH and give everyone a James Doakes moment? You cannot see progress if you play to fail - period. You cannot build a culture by losing - period. You cannot keep your job by losing - period. You cannot attract talent by losing - period. Are we done here yet?

Brooks is likely to be very limited the rest of the year. I don't think we will see enough from him to judge his long term value. Plus we still need a 2nd RB regardless - the 2025 FA class is gonna be slim pickins compared to last year.

I think you also have to take into account that we have no clue about Brooks yet, so 4-yrs covers us if he is a bust without giving us an issue in 2 years to fix. Plus that will mean he will need a new deal again as soon as Brooks needs one, so if Brooks is a stud you don't have a lingering expensive contract for Chuba. All around seems sensible to me

Chuba was still on a rookie deal so he was only making a little over $1M a year