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1 specific example that is a completely different situation with no context - I guess my comments about an entire subject has been proven wrong. Welcome to Millennial/Zenial logic, good grief.

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Agree with you mostly - luckily you can structure contracts in a way that they aren't guaranteed so that guys like this can get paid if they perform, and not if they don't. Huge difference between a $100M contract with $30M guaranteed vs $75M. I'd bet we shoot for around $20M with lower guaranteed which is absolutely worth it.

This is the most ridiculous take ever. Which games did he get thrown at? He was 2nd in the NFL at completion % against behind only Stingley. He was top 5 in snap to thrown at. The only games this year where WR's had big days were TB when Horn was out and Dallas when he never covered Lamb. He was a finalist for the All-pro Team. Judge his injury history but saying he isn't that good or had a mediocre season is ridiculous.

Actually there is a reason - Free Agency. We have 8 weeks and this is a huge unknown for how much money we have to spend for the next 3-6 years. If this doesn't get done fairly soon we should be concerned about it happening at all.

Reading this thread is insane - some of y'all are truly disconnected from reality. 25-yr old and one of the top 5 CB's in the league - Pro Bowler. Without the injury history he would demand $23-24M per year from numerous teams no question, bidding war. Spotrac has his Market at $19.6M/yr - that is likely the best we can hope for and is HIS VALUE. "If he will take $13M maybe, but not $19M" - are you insane? NFL players make their money from ages 24-30. That is the prime years for most positions - that is what they cost and are worth. Teams don't win championships by paying their top players on each side of the ball the lowest contracts at the position. There is no way he takes $13M in his prime - no way at all. He is one of the 3 best players on just about any defense in the league. If you wanna win you spend on the top 3 players on each side of the ball outside of rookie deals. What are you saving money for? To spread it over 20 other mediocre role players? Supply and demand people - some of y'all don't understand how this works. The only decision we have is IF we wanna have one of top 3 players on defense be a CB - how much we pay for him is barely negotiable. $19M makes him 12th - gimme a break - by the time the contract ends he would be the 20th paid in his prime. Come on.

Players are always at different stages of development when they get drafted. It was known that McConkey was more NFL ready at the time. But you draft on potential most of the time. The expectation is that Legette needs time but will be better later. Might be another year or 2 before that is true. But how about another perspective - he is much better than Mingo, TMJ, Samuel in their rookie years. So at least we are trending the right way.

True - but I don't think the Giants are in a position to be too picky - especially if Daboll is still there fighting for his job. They don't have any options other than drafting a QB high, so he will go with the consensus best available. I personally don't like Ward's decision making and accuracy. I see him as a late 1st rounder at best. If he was in last year's draft he would have been my 6th or 7th QB.

There are only 4 games left, nearly 0 reasonable FA QB's, and two hugely QB needy teams who have little to no chance of dropping out of the top 4. Sure there is a chance - but it isn't even close to early. Sanders and Ward may both opt out of the Combine - and those workouts aren't gonna make that big of a change - never do. It isn't set but it is highly likely. That said we still won't get a 2nd, a 1st, and a top 15 1st for the 4 spot even if one of those is there. Again you ignore the fact that THEY DROPPED TO 4. The draft value chart will concur that a haul like that is a massive overpay for the 4th pick. Not impossible but about as likely as Bryce coming into camp at 6'2" next year.

Imagine watching your 2nd year QB drive 99 yards trying to put together a game winning drive with multiple scrambles and 3rd down creative plays, only to have his #1 WR drop the potentially game winning TD on a gorgeous throw right on the money to not quite get there on the road against a SB contender. Then waking up and deciding to start a thread about how we are all getting too excited - this is only the 3rd game in a row against 2 Superbowl contenders where this similar scenario played out. Crazy world

If we draft him we get him for 4 years at a massive discount - if he leaves after that to chase $$ so be it. Are we really still pretending ANY of these guys are doing this for the love of the game and their teammates or fans? Guys its a pay day for them - every single one of them - as it would be for you. Ego and immaturity you worry about - chasing money isn't a big deal. If anything it makes them play harder to get it.

I don't get the fascination for Tet - you can't just look at stats. That guy doesn't move anything like Mike Evans or Courtland Sutton or Marques Colston. And his stats are against a weak schedule - propped up by 1 game against a horrible defense where he had 4TD and 300yds. Take that out and he had 4 TD's in 11 games. The best asset of guys like that is red zone, so his TD numbers should be elevated but... I don't see him as the #1 WR. Burden is the #1 WR for me.

You aren't getting that for the 4th pick unless there is a legit QB - which there won't be. And if you did the 1st you got would be in the 20's which means the team doesn't need a QB. So basically it is completely unrealistic. Now moving down in the top 10 and getting a 2nd in return is much more likely and I am good with that if we still get Abdul Carter.

That is a very high level statement - realistically that is true for many of the positions but rarely for EDGE guys. The top EDGE go outta the draft early for a reason - one of which is money. Drafting them in the first round instead of signing a FA will save you $100M+ in 4 years that you can use elsewhere. Outside of QB and OLine they are one of the most expensive positions on the team. The top 10-15 EDGE rushers get drafted and then resigned for big money to stay home - you rarely see them walk in FAgency.

This guy is not as much of a project as you all are reading into it - he is a 3-yr starter for Penn State in a tough conference. He has 10 sacks in 12 games and 20TFL this year. I believe the comment is more that he has only begun to tap into his potential because he is converting to EDGE from LB this year - he is already an effective pass rusher from the stand up, just adding to it in a 3-pt edge stance. In our scheme this position is exactly what he is doing now at a very high level. Just an opinion but his numbers don't look like a project - more a solid start with a fast learning curve, crazy upside potential. Worst case scenario he is our best OLB instead of best EDGE. He is my #1 choice at the moment in case that wasn't obvious lol

This one is crazy - I mean the guy has nobody on the field outside of Jaycee Horn for most of the season. Revolving door at LB. Basically teams could double Clowney, run away from Jewell, and throw away from Horn since he only plays 1 side. But you see how different it became when Wonnum and Fuller came back? Those doubles went away from Clowney, big increase in QB pressure, Jewell isn't getting caught up by the line as much since they have to worry about Wonnum now. And the secondary got more solid and has an easier job since passes are coming out quicker. Imagine what this team will be when DB is back and we have legitimate starting LB's other than Jewell? Evero is fine IMO - you can't ignore the injuries in this instance.

Sorry but that is a funny comment "peak Curtis Samuel over Adam Thielen". Peak Samuel in his mid 20's can't even put up Thielen numbers at 33 years old! You can try and blame his organization and QB but he has Josh Allen this year and has disappeared. They don't even have a clear #1 - he is in his best situation yet and is doing nothing.

That was my point originally - you are replying to my response where a guy said they got better through FAgency. And it wasn't just the 2023 draft - they also built through the 2022 draft with a solid draft (Stingley, Pitre, Harris).

Thielen still has 1 more year on his contract. Palmer would be good for the #3 after that I guess. We probably should look more than 1 year out

The Texans were no better with Diggs than last year - 95% of their success has been the draft. Diggs is their 2nd WR. And the Eagles were a playoff team before they got AJ Brown. They drafted Hurts, Devonta Smith, Goedert, Miles Sanders, the entire defense. It is wild to claim a single WR FA changed a team that much.

I would even go as far as to say most of your better teams let some of their drafted stars walk in FA or be traded at times because they draft so well.

The vast majority of the stars on those teams were all drafted - including every one of the QB's. They were all deep running playoff teams who picked up extra pieces, not bottom of the league rebuilders.

We already have a #3 though....would you want Palmer over Coker/Thielen? I honestly like our top 3 at the moment. If we don't go get a true #1 I would rather leave it as is.

Coker is an ERFA - we have rights but we still have to sign him to a new contract. He was a UDFA so he was on a 1-yr deal. He belongs on the list. As for the team priorities, WR is down the list behind most of our defensive needs. You have XL, Coker, and Thielen - there are certainly upgrades to be had, but WR is not as big a need as EDGE, DL, LB, CB, or Safety at the moment considering contracts and talent. I am all for one of the top 3 WR's if they are Brian Thomas level or better, but not at the sacrifice of most of those defensive needs.

No I mean our 2nd first round pick - if you read the rest of the response I said we could end up with 2 first round picks.