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Didn't even read the post. It wasn't even long.....just ready to shot a post off for no reason. That rumor has been debunkee already.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/fmia/news/nfl-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-jake-browning-playoffs-fmia-week-15-peter-king Could be a great hire and help establish a culture here. A coach that brings a lot of cache, that players love. With the ability to stay steady through adveristy. Hell, he'll even "toe the line" and help you win games haha. Before anyone says it, the rumor Tepper wanted him out in Pittsburgh was proven false, I dont have time to dig it up.

I didn't want Wilks last season. I thought it would be great time to turn the page and bring some new age offensive football in. I didn't realize how much this team needed Wilks. I can't imagine he will ever be back, but if he was our next HC I wouldn't be too upset about it. I will always wonder what his plan for the 2023 Panthers was....

Cam as the guy who holds the next HC back when he get too hype on the sideline and starts to cross onto the field.

I am down with Olsen as HC, but I can't see Cam as President. Some other role where he is allowed to bring some attitude and culture to the team would be great though. Like just have him around the team year round and let his influence spread through the building. Cam put in the time and refused to lose, it wasn't in his mindset. We need that.

Too many holes. BPA and hope BPA falls on QB, O-line, D-line, WR, DB, LB, RB in that order. Have to get Luvu under contract and either get something for Burns or play him out 1 more year on the tag.

Needed to be done. GM/HC clean slate and hopefully someone who knows what they are doing between them and Tepper.

Interesting note. It will be a good time to evaluate the current scouting dept and see if it works.

Mannnnn I'm going to be in here in May, June, July and August feeling positive. We'll see after that lol, hopefully I want to watch the games through December.

Build the lines and it all falls into place. Football is still won in the trenches. We have some talent on the O line we just need a good coach to sort them out and then work on filling the gaps. D line needs players badly.

Not the biggest Tepper fan...but I think its funny he is getting heat for doing something better for the team/players. He's supposed to keep it in Wofford? For what? So Jerry Richardson's old school can get some money?

Bakhtiari and Campen are going to the Jets to be with Rodgers.

I would say the Jets are in a better spot. That D is elite and talented, not just scheme related. They have an amazing WR is Garrett, a HR hitter RB in Bryce Hall. They need less pieces then we do. If they could score like 21 points a game and sustain some drives they would have a crazy good record right now.

Caldwell was just an example. Point still stands, I don't think it necessarily screams unprofessionalism. There are plenty of reasons to go above your boss to his. Sometimes even without going to them first, but I highlighted an hypothetical in which they could have and still ended up talking to Tepper.

This won't change until the NFLPA forces the change. Owners are going to milk the stadiums for all they are worth. Capitalism. They make more money year over year via the NFL no matter how bad their team is. Everything else is just the cherry on top, because you can never be too rich.

Oh well. Probably for the better. I doubt staying in some dorm room is better for the players then being near the stadium facilities and sleeping in their own beds.

Yeah but lets say you are for example Jim Caldwell. You talk to Josh McCown about the plan with Bryce and where you think there is a glaring error ( in this case footwork or RPO in the scheme ). You go through a week or two of meetings/practice/games. Nothing changes. Okay, next stop : Frank. Same thing. Who do you go to then when you see the ship is sinking and no one you've spoken to has shown any ability to navigate this. Next step is the GM, Franks boss. Fitt takes it in, get's you to go with him to Tepper to show that here is someone on the offensive staff with some good points about what we've seen over the last 6-8 weeks. It makes sense to me. No one is helping your rookie QB get better and they get actively getting him killed out there through sheer negligence it sounds like.

DAMN that's bad. Frank too soft for HC. Reich was Nathaniel Hackett bad for us. Woof.

You can look across the league. Bad owners get good coaches, most of them then stay out of the way for the most part ( publically ). Jags, 49ers, Browns, Texans, Bengals to an extent Cowboys ( they've had good ones ). The Cowboys have a meddling owner but get good coaches and let them stay until they can't produce ( except Jimmy Johnson ) and the WFT/Commanders get them from time to time and Snyder would mess it up. So its likely going to happen. When? Who knows, hopefully soon. Even if we get a guy who can only take us so far up, that is all we need right now. Our new John Fox.

You do wonder if the bulls-t stemmed from the an environment Tepper set OR if by the time people felt like they had to talk to Tepper, Reich had proven he didn't know what the hell he was doing. Really Frank has never been shown to develop a QB and maybe they were sold that he could or at least would be able to create an ideal vision for a rookie. Sounds like Frank was in over is head from day 1. No Pederson, No Luck, No Rivers to bail him out.

I think this is true just by the fact eventually he might even get it accidentally wrong. The one thing I will say, if a HC/GM starts getting wins, I don't see Tepper's ego driving a wedge in that. He wants a winner and once he has that he will let it ride.

It is going to be interesting off season. What's the earliest we could expect a new HC and/or GM? I hope the whole building is cleared. New coaches, new GM, new scouts. The whole deal. Tepper, don't you know the rule? Always have a fall guy. Don't take the heat for yourself get a team president and let him get jeered while the team builds itself back up! Then take all the praise when its finally right!

Sounds like it was a poo offense that did a rookie QB no favors. Hopefully Tepper see's that we need a little traditional staff building this time. We tried giving Rhule the keys to the franchise and be brought in all him bum friends. We tried to have Frank bring in different thought processes from around the league and meld them together. I like the "diversity in thought" idea on its face, and I do think it would have worked if we had a different head coach who wasn't so soft.

I don't know how realistic it is but QB if our team has one ranked as a starter/potential franchise guy. If not it has to be the best linemen available O preferably but D would work too. Build the lines and things will start to fall into place. A good question would be : If there is a top ranked QB the team thinks is the guy that falls to late 1st round do you dare move up? Note : This is all under the assumption that I/We are comfortable with the decision makers next year ( Lets just say Ben Johnson and the GM from the 49ers ).

I hope so, results have been bad so far. I'm not really sure where the disconnect between the drafting and signing of players and them not working in our ( at least offensive ) scheme comes from but it needs to be rooted out. Coaching sucks we know that, they are gone. Scouting and drafting also suck, they should be gone but we will see. I think Fitts analytic leaning process need to be funneled through a true GM who is more pure football. It's always been that way with football....it just isn't baseball. Its a gladiator sport and numbers cannot tell the whole story on a player period.